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post #4111 of 10479
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Originally Posted by roskodan View Post


in my case the dampening attenuated the spike 10% while screwing everything else that's good 100%

 

not worth the time and effort,

 

using an eq in the 8k -6dB will do a better job, if you care about the sq


Thanks for feedback, what thickness felt did you use, was it 1/16" front and 1/8" for rear?

post #4112 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

 

seems like WA6-SE is slightly better, tighter in the bass, crisper details, more neutral, just a bit more clarity over the WA2. however, you have to be careful with tubes. the wrong tube combinations can make the HD 800 sound grainy, bright, or muddy. the WA2 is much smoother, grain free, and has a much better tonality. so really its back and forth for me between the 2 amps.

Seems like the perfect setup between low and high impedence aswell. i might have to get the wa6 le in the near future especially if i wanna go for dennon or lawton. or maybe sell the wa2 and save for wa5. that would be nice. has anyone here tried wa5 with hd 800? now that would be something to look forward to. 

post #4113 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post


Thanks for feedback, what thickness felt did you use, was it 1/16" front and 1/8" for rear?

Andrew it is so much easier to use a little digital eq than to be messing with the physical structure of your headphones. Using digital eq you can tune the sound of your system to your ears and your listening preference. You can go nuts trying to do that adding felt to your headphones and never get the same results.

post #4114 of 10479
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

That's the thing.  People see the charts, then people say "yeah, that's what I hear".  I just wonder, if the charts was never shown what would people say.  That's why I say,  Not to my ears.  I really could care less what's on the chart.  My music may not ever hit those peaks.  

 

Well Miles Davis Trumpet will. biggrin.gif

 

I've bought and sold my T1s way before the charts talk. There was a definite hot treble there that made them unlistenable at times. Some people say there are drivers differences ... maybe it's that, or maybe not. Or maybe you are lucky. :)

 

P.S.: That was with the V200, a very smooth operator.


Edited by negura - 5/1/13 at 3:55pm
post #4115 of 10479
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

 

I've bought and sold my T1s way before the charts talk. There was a definite hot treble there that made them unlistenable at times. Some people say there are drivers differences ... maybe it's that, or maybe not. Or maybe you are lucky. :)

 

P.S.: That was with the V200, a very smooth operator.

It's so funny this just goes to prove what we already know, that we all hear differently. I have had exactly the same reaction, but opposite, every time I have tried the HD800 the hot treble on the HD800 put me off and sent me back to the T1's.  

post #4116 of 10479
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

 

I've bought and sold my T1s way before the charts talk. There was a definite hot treble there that made them unlistenable at times. Some people say there are drivers differences ... maybe it's that, or maybe not. Or maybe you are lucky. :)

 

P.S.: That was with the V200, a very smooth operator.

 

I'm glad to be one of the lucky ones.biggrin.gif

post #4117 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post


Thanks for feedback, what thickness felt did you use, was it 1/16" front and 1/8" for rear?


i didn't measure, at some point it was 1/4 or ticker, but it was still there, then i stuffed it with wool, like for speakers in the 80s, but that just killed the bass,

 

then i saw a celestion tweeter had a cylindrical piece of felt just beneath the membrane, aluminium  dome

 

so i thought about stuffing just the big hole, the one through which you can see the membrane, with something,  but i didn't try that jet

 

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Originally Posted by negura View Post

 

I've bought and sold my T1s way before the charts talk. There was a definite hot treble there that made them unlistenable at times. Some people say there are drivers differences ... maybe it's that, or maybe not. Or maybe you are lucky. :)

 

P.S.: That was with the V200, a very smooth operator.

 

i'm experiencing the spike only with sibilant vocals, and only past the 12 on the v200 xlr from v800

post #4118 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post


Not trying to convince you otherwise, we hear what we hear. But this is peak vs. plateau I was talking about. The sharper transitioning is what I've found more fatiguing on T1. That was discussed in some other HD800 or T1 thread.

 

You do realize that peak on the T1 is actually easier on the ears. At 10kHz, not much is happening musically. Your more "V" like comments don't match up with this graph as well as the T1s are more forward between 2-3kHz. As we're posting graphs, I find this one more interesting: 

 

 

 

I suggest you have a look here to see just how little is affected at 10kHz:

 

 


Edited by MacedonianHero - 5/1/13 at 5:13pm
post #4119 of 10479
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

You do realize that peak on the T1 is actually easier on the ears. At 10kHz, not much is happening musically. Your more "V" like comments don't match up with this graph as well as the T1s are more forward between 2-3kHz. As we're posting graphs, I find this one more interesting: 

 

 

I suggest you have a look here to see just how little is affected at 10kHz:

lol what's bothers me is that my brain gets affected whenever there's a sibilant vocal recording, and a 8k spike is piercing my eardrums, but yes you are right other than that, nothing is really being affected...

 

and that might actually be a graph of a t1 sample without the treble spike

post #4120 of 10479
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Originally Posted by roskodan View Post

lol what's bothers me is that my brain gets affected whenever there's a sibilant vocal recording, and a 8k spike is piercing my eardrums, but yes you are right other than that, nothing is really being affected...

Sibilant voices are not at 9-10kHz range. smile.gif Blame the recording. The graph I showed has the 10kHz spike...same source (Headroom). Also amp/dac/source have effects too.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 5/1/13 at 5:40pm
post #4121 of 10479
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Sibilant voices are not at 9-10kHz range. smile.gif Blame the recording. The graph I showed has the 10kHz spike...same source (Headroom). Also amp/dac/source have effects too.


i know and that is why i wrote "sibilant vocal recording", however you may have noted that not only the instrument get recorded but also all the room acoustics, mic artefacts and resonances, and i'm not talking about modern loudness affected recordings, the vocal in chesky records record of rebecca pidgeon spanish harlem is affected too, so i like to think that the t1 are just very revealing about the recordings weaknesses, but still, it makes more difficult to relax and enjoy the music

 

edit: in case of 8k brain piercing fetish absence, that is

post #4122 of 10479
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Sibilant voices are not at 9-10kHz range. smile.gif Blame the recording. The graph I showed has the 10kHz spike...same source (Headroom). Also amp/dac/source have effects too.

 

+1

post #4123 of 10479

Yay, yet another person using the "You like a headphone I don't... your ears are wrong" logic.  Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people.  Just go enjoy the music on whatever headphones you -do- like.

post #4124 of 10479

i say let them battle it out! this back and forward audio bashing is entertaining stuff and very informative. deadhorse.gifnormal_smile%20.gif

post #4125 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

 

+1


yes but what he/she doesn't understand is that there is a strong sound of resonance at 8k being created artificially from the t1,

 

there is a loud resonance piercing your ears artificially made inside the t1 driver cup, it's not about affecting anything or veiling it's about the overreaction of the driver to this region of the band

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