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post #4096 of 10478
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Originally Posted by R Giskard View Post
by the way lads and lassies, someone mentioned that there are differences between different T1 headphones. Is this substantiated by measurements or was it the subjective opinion of someone that has multiple pairs? I Have had three pairs and never noticed any difference although they were all purchased at around the same time and the serial numbers were pretty similar as well. Like most manufacturers, there are probably more than a few revisions that users are not always aware of, or sometimes not at all.

Purrin measured quite a few

http://www.head-fi.org/t/574139/t1-channel-imbalance-and-beyer-tesla-headphone-variance-issues/60#post_8166010

post #4097 of 10478
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post

No the HD800 is not better than the T1 but personal preference come into play here. You have two flagship headphones from two of the leading headphone manufacturers. They each have their fan base but once you get into that "World Class" status it becomes entirely personal. I prefer the T1 warmer sound to the HD800 more technical sound. We all listen with different listening preferences. Many people seem to be wowed by the soundstage that the HD800 presents in spite of the fact that it will make a chamber orchestra sound like a symphony. The HD800's are the soundstage kings for those who value massive width and depth in all their recordings. Every time I have tried them I have found the wow factor wears off quickly and I return to my T1's. 


Not the right threads to discuss merits of HD800 but it is truer to life (flatter) but pickier to equipment.

T1 is more V like, can be exciting but more fatiguing over time, treble is also peakier on T1, on HD800 it's in sort of plateau shape, making it easier on ears, as there is less sharp transitions.

Both are bright but different type of bright, that was also discussed in HD800 thread.

Also I don't think T1 can resolve as good as HD800, at least this is how I hear it.

Another thing I've noticed is that HD800 still has good dynamics at low listening level, with T1 I need to crank it up or it gets totally bland and mudded. Pretty sure I've read someone else commenting on that as well.

 

Still pretty good phones and a definite step up from DT880. I also think polarity of opinions related to variances across units, I just speak for my pair.

post #4098 of 10478
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post


Not the right threads to discuss merits of HD800 but it is truer to life (flatter) but pickier to equipment.

T1 is more V like, can be exciting but more fatiguing over time, treble is also peakier on T1, on HD800 it's in sort of plateau shape, making it easier on ears, as there is less sharp transitions.

Both are bright but different type of bright, that was also discussed in HD800 thread.

Also I don't think T1 can resolve as good as HD800, at least this is how I hear it.

Another thing I've noticed is that HD800 still has good dynamics at low listening level, with T1 I need to crank it up or it gets totally bland and mudded. Pretty sure I've read someone else commenting on that as well.

 

Still pretty good phones and a definite step up from DT880. I also think polarity of opinions related to variances across units, I just speak for my pair.

 

Not sure what you mean by bright, but on Burson HA-160D, Woo WA2 and Meier Classic they never sounded bright for a second.

 

And BTW., you have stirred up the other thread and got it locked up, so please do not do that to this thread. If you feel HD800 is the only true great headphone, let it be and do not waste our time with these arguments.

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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post


Not the right threads to discuss merits of HD800 but it is truer to life (flatter) but pickier to equipment.

T1 is more V like, can be exciting but more fatiguing over time, treble is also peakier on T1, on HD800 it's in sort of plateau shape, making it easier on ears, as there is less sharp transitions.

Both are bright but different type of bright, that was also discussed in HD800 thread.

Also I don't think T1 can resolve as good as HD800, at least this is how I hear it.

Another thing I've noticed is that HD800 still has good dynamics at low listening level, with T1 I need to crank it up or it gets totally bland and mudded. Pretty sure I've read someone else commenting on that as well.

 

Still pretty good phones and a definite step up from DT880. I also think polarity of opinions related to variances across units, I just speak for my pair.

 

 

with WA2, i find the T1 to have no fatiguing peaks. the HD 800 still have rather hot treble at times. i do agree they are different types of bright though. 

 

i feel like the T1 is just as resolving, most notable in the midrange. the bass/treble are cleaner on the HD 800 but the T1 are more musical cause of their slight V shape. i enjoy the T1's bass presentation alot (its punchy, fast, great sub-bass). the HD 800 has great bass too though, with more slam (the larger driver helps with this).


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 5/1/13 at 10:36am
post #4100 of 10478
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Originally Posted by Szadzik View Post

 

Not sure what you mean by bright, but on Burson HA-160D, Woo WA2 and Meier Classic they never sounded bright for a second.

 

And BTW., you have stirred up the other thread and got it locked up, so please do not do that to this thread. If you feel HD800 is the only true great headphone, let it be and do not waste our time with these arguments.


Not sure what other thread do you mean and why it was locked. Did mod tell you it was because of my posts, I am sure he would notify me if that was the case. confused.gif

 

And by bright I meant this

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Bright - A sound that emphasizes the upper midrange/lower treble. Harmonics are strong relative to fundamentals.

 

Both HD800 and T1 are bright phones, but in relative terms HD800 treble is more relaxing on ears due to lesser peakiness.

post #4101 of 10478
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post


Not sure what other thread do you mean and why it was locked. Did mod tell you it was because of my posts, I am sure he would notify me if that was the case. confused.gif

 

And by bright I meant this

 

Both HD800 and T1 are bright phones, but in relative terms HD800 treble is more relaxing on ears due to lesser peakiness.

 

 

Not to my ears and on my rig.

post #4102 of 10478
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

 

 

with WA2, i find the T1 to have no fatiguing peaks. the HD 800 still have rather hot treble at times. i do agree they are different types of bright though. 

 

i feel like the T1 is just as resolving, most notable in the midrange. the bass/treble are cleaner on the HD 800 but the T1 are more musical cause of their slight V shape. i enjoy the T1's bass presentation alot (its punchy, fast, great sub-bass). the HD 800 has great bass too though, with more slam (the larger driver helps with this).


Seems like we are mostly in agreement here, except may be resolution, but it all could be related to particular setup or a pair you own.


Edited by Andrew_WOT - 5/1/13 at 10:47am
post #4103 of 10478
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

Not to my ears and on my rig.


Not trying to convince you otherwise, we hear what we hear. But this is peak vs. plateau I was talking about. The sharper transitioning is what I've found more fatiguing on T1. That was discussed in some other HD800 or T1 thread.

 

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That's the thing.  People see the charts, then people say "yeah, that's what I hear".  I just wonder, if the charts was never shown what would people say.  That's why I say,  Not to my ears.  I really could care less what's on the chart.  My music may not ever hit those peaks.  

 

Well Miles Davis Trumpet will. biggrin.gif

post #4105 of 10478
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

That's the thing.  People see the charts, then people say "yeah, that's what I hear".

 

Yep, 100% agree, some posters here are notorious for that, but in this case it seems to match what I hear not the other way around, it could be different explanation for this phenomena like harmonic distortions in undampened cups, but something makes the treble sound edgy, more than on HD800 or little brother DT880.

I hope some dampening will help with that, already ordered felt.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/612796/guide-how-to-properly-dampen-your-beyerdynamic-t1

http://www.head-fi.org/t/574842/beyerdynamic-tesla-t1-dampening-mod

post #4106 of 10478

Or just get a smooth amp = Tube something or a Beta22 biggrin.gif

post #4107 of 10478

While my HE6 is being hard-wired I've been using my T1's. Recently I got a loan of the Modi and Magni. Well I am very impressed, especially with the Magni. Looking at these diminuative boxes I thought

'no chance', expecting the the T1 to beat the amp into submission. A comfortable listening position is around 11 o'clock.

 

I could imagine several of these stationed around the house fed by an ethernet/usb link. It's made me question how much one really needs to get decent audio.

post #4108 of 10478
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Originally Posted by Andrew_WOT View Post

Yep, 100% agree, some posters here are notorious for that, but in this case it seems to match what I hear not the other way around, it could be different explanation for this phenomena like harmonic distortions in undampened cups, but something makes the treble sound edgy, more than on HD800 or little brother DT880.

I hope some dampening will help with that, already ordered felt.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/612796/guide-how-to-properly-dampen-your-beyerdynamic-t1

http://www.head-fi.org/t/574842/beyerdynamic-tesla-t1-dampening-mod


in my case the dampening attenuated the spike 10% while screwing everything else that's good 100%

 

not worth the time and effort,

 

using an eq in the 8k -6dB will do a better job, if you care about the sq

post #4109 of 10478
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

 

 

with WA2, i find the T1 to have no fatiguing peaks. the HD 800 still have rather hot treble at times. i do agree they are different types of bright though. 

 

i feel like the T1 is just as resolving, most notable in the midrange. the bass/treble are cleaner on the HD 800 but the T1 are more musical cause of their slight V shape. i enjoy the T1's bass presentation alot (its punchy, fast, great sub-bass). the HD 800 has great bass too though, with more slam (the larger driver helps with this).

I remember you saying before that you use the hd800 with the wa6. i know its kind of off the point but i was wondering why you preferred it to your wa2? 

post #4110 of 10478
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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post

I remember you saying before that you use the hd800 with the wa6. i know its kind of off the point but i was wondering why you preferred it to your wa2? 

 

seems like WA6-SE is slightly better, tighter in the bass, crisper details, more neutral, just a bit more clarity over the WA2. however, you have to be careful with tubes. the wrong tube combinations can make the HD 800 sound grainy, bright, or muddy. the WA2 is much smoother, grain free, and has a much better tonality. so really its back and forth for me between the 2 amps.


Edited by Dubstep Girl - 5/1/13 at 1:47pm
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