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Just in case anyone is curious how my puppy-induced cable damage issue has been going...

 

I got word today that Beyerdynamic is actually going to cover this as a warranty repair. A guy named Peter Castelli went to bat for me and got it covered as an exception. I already love my Beyer headphones, but knowing they give a you know what about their customers and will make an exception like this just adds to my appreciation for them.

 

So, off they'll go to a place called Sound Surgeon in New York for a cable replacement :) 

 

Peter is a diamond. Repaired mine as an exception under warranty repair when the drivers broke. Turned them around in 24 hours. Unbelievable service.

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Peter is a diamond. Repaired mine as an exception under warranty repair when the drivers broke. Turned them around in 24 hours. Unbelievable service.

I wish the service here is the same. :( Two weeks down and still no word on my T1s. confused_face(1).gif

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Peter is a diamond. Repaired mine as an exception under warranty repair when the drivers broke. Turned them around in 24 hours. Unbelievable service.

 

 

+1 

 

 

beyerdynamic has some of the best warranty service, they've repaired both my 990 when i had them and had driver issues and also my beyerdynamic T1 when i bent up the cup frame (which was totally my fault for sitting on them cause they fell on my chair and i didn't see them). 

 

took them about a month and a half to fix the T1 cause they didn't have the parts to fix them, but they came back to me eventually. the dt 990s came back in less than a week.

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Funny, I'm using the Voskhod 6J1P EV and love the results with my T1. I've got a lot of tubes lying around but these Voskhod's just sing with the T1's. I guess some of us just fell into the same conclusion.

 

Is "EV" something special or those are just basic 6J1P's ?

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With all this talk of tube amps; I'm intrigued. Just how much better is the bass on the T1 with a tube amp such as the Woo Audio 2? Is the bass comparable to an Ultrasone Edition 8? Can an amp really change the sound so much?

 

I've been thinking: Would it not be better to buy a "coloured" headphone and a neutral amp instead? That way, the amp is not limited to specific headphones regarding sound signature. You can use a neutral amp for all your phones regardless of signature.

 

Any thoughts would be welcomed.

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with the right tubes, the T1 can get pretty bassy, it'll never have that much bass, but tubes can change the sound more than u think.

 

its very hard to get an amp thats neutral with everything, and sometimes that won't work with every headphone, one will be too analytical, one will be bright, one will be too dull, etc.

 

you gotta get amps that have good synergy with your headphones as well as your source/components.

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Is "EV" something special or those are just basic 6J1P's ?

I think the EV indicate military grade but to be honest when I bought these I it was just on a whim from some posts I read in the Little Dot thread. Turned out to be the best tubes I've tried and I have rolled a lot of tubes. These are made in the 80"s and easy to identify as the glass of the tubes has deep ridges molded and gold color filament. Took several hours to burn in after which they opened up and the tonal range balanced. Very inexpensive compared to some of the tubes I have bought.

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With all this talk of tube amps; I'm intrigued. Just how much better is the bass on the T1 with a tube amp such as the Woo Audio 2? Is the bass comparable to an Ultrasone Edition 8? Can an amp really change the sound so much?

 

I've been thinking: Would it not be better to buy a "coloured" headphone and a neutral amp instead? That way, the amp is not limited to specific headphones regarding sound signature. You can use a neutral amp for all your phones regardless of signature.

 

Any thoughts would be welcomed.

From my experience once you get into tube amps there is no going back. There is a naturalness to the presentation with tubes that no sold state amp can match. You also have the advantage of tube rolling which can get you where you want to go without spending a fortune on different headphones. Of course you can also spend a lot on tube rolling if you get addicted to experimenting like me. It's all part of the hobby. There are people who enjoy and even prefer the sound of solid state so it's all personal preference. The one thing that tubes can do better than ss is soundstage. If your objective is only coloring the sound digital eq is a lot cheaper than changing equipment.

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From my experience once you get into tube amps there is no going back. There is a naturalness to the presentation with tubes that no sold state amp can match. You also have the advantage of tube rolling which can get you where you want to go without spending a fortune on different headphones. Of course you can also spend a lot on tube rolling if you get addicted to experimenting like me. It's all part of the hobby. There are people who enjoy and even prefer the sound of solid state so it's all personal preference. The one thing that tubes can do better than ss is soundstage. If your objective is only coloring the sound digital eq is a lot cheaper than changing equipment.

 

Those things can be debated or simply comes down to how different we hear things.  

 

With the newer SS amps, Soundstage and naturalness is topnotch IMO..  I'm taking specifically about the GS-X mkII.

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Originally Posted by Bloodflowerz View Post

With all this talk of tube amps; I'm intrigued. Just how much better is the bass on the T1 with a tube amp such as the Woo Audio 2? Is the bass comparable to an Ultrasone Edition 8? Can an amp really change the sound so much?

 

I've been thinking: Would it not be better to buy a "coloured" headphone and a neutral amp instead? That way, the amp is not limited to specific headphones regarding sound signature. You can use a neutral amp for all your phones regardless of signature.

 

Any thoughts would be welcomed.

I'm going to sound like an old-timer cynic, but here we go.

 

I'll stand in the disagreement position, and be probably one of the few. I've owned a handful of tube amplifiers at this point (six or seven). I've heard a lot of different tube units as well. When it comes down to it, most of the effects of "tube rolling" are psychological. The sound does change, but you aren't going to drastically change the sound of your amplifier or headphones. Your T1s won't suddenly get a powerful thumping ultrasone lower end. Any changes will be incredible subtle. 

 

In addition, tube amplifiers end up costing more in the long run:

-A tube amplifier will wear out and need parts replaced sooner than a SS amplifier.

-Tubes cost money, and there's this new market where people are convinced to buy "premium tubes" for hundreds of bucks to provide a subtle change (not always better). I think this is just as bad as convincing people having premium RCA interconnects is worth hundreds of dollars

 

I was a firm believer, now changed. I had two things that really swayed me. First, my beloved amp broke (thank god within warranty) and if not for warranty would have cost me $250 in shipping going back and forth to China. Second, I had an old time electrical engineer friend in a heated discussion about tubes. He hooked up a lot of solid state equipment and showed me how the same exact sound feeling could be had, by introducing a little distortion into the signal. All tubes do in the end is insert tiny bits of distortion. 

 

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Those things can be debated or simply comes down to how different we hear things.  

 

With the newer SS amps, Soundstage and naturalness is topnotch IMO..  I'm taking specifically about the GS-X mkII.

 

I think even older SS amps can do that as well. 

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

Those things can be debated or simply comes down to how different we hear things.  

 

With the newer SS amps, Soundstage and naturalness is topnotch IMO..  I'm taking specifically about the GS-X mkII.

I've read about that amp but I haven't had the chance to hear it. I didn't mean to imply that ss is bad only that my personal preference is for tube gear. I've owned some Audio gd amplification and got really good results with my T1's and HE 500. In the end I always come back to tubes. Those "little changes" the previous poster mentioned are important to me.

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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

 All tubes do in the end is insert tiny bits of distortion. 

 

 

That's when I think the clarity of tubes come into question.  At least for me.  SS amps just seem to be clearer, tighter cleaner bass.  The distortion affects many things to my ears in a negative way.  I've heard many of tubes.  Still, I might not have heard the "right" ones..

post #4019 of 7905
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

That's when I think the clarity of tubes come into question.  At least for me.  SS amps just seem to be clearer, tighter cleaner bass.  The distortion affects many things to my ears in a negative way.  I've heard many of tubes.  Still, I might not have heard the "right" ones..

I think it has to do with the type of music you listen to also. I listen mostly to classical and with my T1's and tubes just get it right for me but I have to say that with pop music I can understand the preference for good solid state. 

post #4020 of 7905
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Originally Posted by Chodi View Post

I think it has to do with the type of music you listen to also. I listen mostly to classical and with my T1's and tubes just get it right for me but I have to say that with pop music I can understand the preference for good solid state. 

Ah Gotcha....  However, I listen to classical as well biggrin.gif

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