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post #391 of 10479
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Originally Posted by RatFarm View Post

Hi, I have the Audio-GD C-2C amp. It's pretty good but I may try a tube amp next or maybe the Phoenix.


I would recommend a good OTL tube amp with the 600 ohm beyers. They can typically better swing voltages better and for higher impedance headphones (like the T1s) that is an important factor on driving them. A couple of my Head-fi friends have owned the Phoenix/T1 combo and have both been underwhelmed by this combination (I personally have not heard it...but I can add the Burson amp as another non-ideal T1 amp). The Concerto on the other hand is a very good SS option.
post #392 of 10479

As a T1 + Phoenix + Ref-7 owner, I have to voice different experience here.  I will say T1 with Phoenix and good DAC sounds excellent to me.  I also enjoy T1 + CSP2+ combo.  And it is really hard for to to say which one is better.  The bass of T1+Phoenix+Ref-7 is just so deep and solid, I have not been able to get such satisfaction with  T1+CSP2 combo (even with some tube rolling).  Phoenix has more neutral tonality and slight farther soundstage.  CSP2+, on the other hand, provides more intimate sounding with quite tonal variability depending on the tubes used.  And T1+CSP2 has been highly regarded by many headfiers here.

 

I still use T1+Phoenix as the reference and CSP2+ for fun and tunable SQ.  Both are excellent and both require excellent DAC or digital source to shine.  That is why I were not able to sell any one yet.  biggrin.gif  I have leaned on CSP2+ several times, but later found out that Phoenix still has edges and win me over again.  And when I try to evaluate gears at high-end level, I'll use Phoenix first.  That says something.

 

My music genres certainly play as an important factor.
 

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

I would recommend a good OTL tube amp with the 600 ohm beyers. They can typically better swing voltages better and for higher impedance headphones (like the T1s) that is an important factor on driving them. A couple of my Head-fi friends have owned the Phoenix/T1 combo and have both been underwhelmed by this combination (I personally have not heard it...but I can add the Burson amp as another non-ideal T1 amp). The Concerto on the other hand is a very good SS option.
 


 


Edited by dukja - 4/7/11 at 10:58am
post #393 of 10479

Ok....I let the T1 cook from yesterday evening until just an hour ago. All I can say is wow.... Forget my comments about the K701 mids being better...forget it. No contest. Nada. Not only are the mids super transparent and detailed now but the bass is a whole lot more deeper also. I honestly thought for a moment that my HSU sub was on while I was listening to the T1 but it wasn't. It had me fooled for sure. The bass is not overblown, just appropriate. Listening to Patricia Barber's "Inch Worm" (MFSL) track reveals that detail, spacial info and real bass are reproduced in a stunning manner. The bass is only there when it's actually on the recording, no one-note thumps here! I can only imagine how much better things would sound running thru a good DAC instead of from the Squeezebox Touch analog outs into the Audio-GD. dt880smile.png

post #394 of 10479

Yep RatFarm, The 701s were my main phone for a year or 2. When I got the T1s the 701s were retired to the closet like they were toys.

The T1s have resolution, details, and refinement.

OK, I had lots of good times with the 701s, but they have nothing on the T1s.(imho, of course).

Try and get yerself some tubes eventually to hear what they can REALLY do.

 

 

 

 


Edited by rgs9200m - 4/7/11 at 1:35pm
post #395 of 10479
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Originally Posted by dukja View Post

As a T1 + Phoenix + Ref-7 owner, I have to voice different experience here.  I will say T1 with Phoenix and good DAC sounds excellent to me.  I also enjoy T1 + CSP2+ combo.  And it is really hard for to to say which one is better.  The bass of T1+Phoenix+Ref-7 is just so deep and solid, I have not been able to get such satisfaction with  T1+CSP2 combo (even with some tube rolling).  Phoenix has more neutral tonality and slight farther soundstage.  CSP2+, on the other hand, provides more intimate sounding with quite tonal variability depending on the tubes used.  And T1+CSP2 has been highly regarded by many headfiers here.

 

I still use T1+Phoenix as the reference and CSP2+ for fun and tunable SQ.  Both are excellent and both require excellent DAC or digital source to shine.  That is why I were not able to sell any one yet.  biggrin.gif  I have leaned on CSP2+ several times, but later found out that Phoenix still has edges and win me over again.  And when I try to evaluate gears at high-end level, I'll use Phoenix first.  That says something.

 

My music genres certainly play as an important factor.
 



 


I'm curious if you don't mind:

1.) What tubes are you running on your CSP2+?
2.) Are your running your T1s SE or balanced on your Phoenix.

Thanks.
post #396 of 10479

No problem.  I had Philip 6922 for drive and power tubes.  Rectifier tube is either Sylvania, Raytheon, or GE 5U4G.  More details are in CSP2 thread

 

I still not yet get Genalex Golden Lion 6922. But I don't think they will change the whole game. biggrin.gif


Edited by dukja - 4/7/11 at 8:07pm
post #397 of 10479
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Originally Posted by dukja View Post

No problem.  I had Philip 6922 for drive and power tubes.  Rectifier tube is either Sylvania, Raytheon, or GE 5U4G.  More details are in CSP2 thread

 

I still not yet get Genalex Golden Lion 6922. But I don't think they will change the whole game. biggrin.gif


They should offer an improvement over the JAN Phillips. Are you running the T1s SE or balanced on your Phoenix?
post #398 of 10479
The T1 is the BEST sounding headphones I own or used. It's worth the high dollar. I'm using a Lehmann Audio BCL. I have a Musical Fidelty V8 coming tomorrow. I wonder if it could drive the T1.
post #399 of 10479

Yes, eventually I'll try the gold lion.

 

And sorry for missing your 2nd question.  And the answer should be clear already.  No one will run SE with Phoenix and Ref-7 via ACSS connection.  And Phoenix is known for not shine with SE.   It got to be balanced.  biggrin.gif

 

I was only  hesitated on the price of balanced tube amp and hence get the CSP2, a OTL SET amp.  I was very impressed with CSP2, but recently found out that I was even more impressed with Phoenix+Ref7+T1, especially the bass quality.  

 

Does any tube rolling improve the focus, density, and impact of bass?  Thanks!
 

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by dukja View Post

No problem.  I had Philip 6922 for drive and power tubes.  Rectifier tube is either Sylvania, Raytheon, or GE 5U4G.  More details are in CSP2 thread

 

I still not yet get Genalex Golden Lion 6922. But I don't think they will change the whole game. biggrin.gif




They should offer an improvement over the JAN Phillips. Are you running the T1s SE or balanced on your Phoenix?


 


Edited by dukja - 4/7/11 at 9:14pm
post #400 of 10479
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Originally Posted by dukja View Post

Yes, eventually I'll try the gold lion.

 

And sorry for missing your 2nd question.  And the answer should be clear already.  No one will run SE with Phoenix and Ref-7 via ACSS connection.  And Phoenix is known for not shine with SE.   It got to be balanced.  biggrin.gif

 

I was only  hesitated on the price of balanced tube amp and hence get the CSP2, a OTL SET amp.  I was very impressed with CSP2, but recently found out that I was even more impressed with Phoenix+Ref7+T1, especially the bass quality.  

 

Does any tube rolling improve the focus, density, and impact of bass?  Thanks!
 



 


I'm sure that with some tube rolling you can really improve your CSP-2+. Frank I owns the same amp and has a lot of experience. I'd shoot him a PM for some ideas.
post #401 of 10479

Thanks for the help.  I had some PM with him already.  His endorsement on Golden Lion was still fresh in my ear. biggrin.gif

post #402 of 10479

New owner of previously owned 1923 here.  Very cool cans!

 

I'm currently comparing them vs a pair of AD2000s to decide the final keeper, but I'm leaning towards the T1s I think.

 

At any rate, I have them hooked up to Parasound DAC2000 XLR  -> PLD 2000.   I've noticed that at very low listening volumes, the T1s tend to sound pretty muffled and flat.   (relative to my other can)   I was curious if others have noticed this, of if it might be a side effect of my amp. 

 

The other niggle I've noticed is that the T1s seem to put a little pressure on the top of my head during longer listening.  I was curious if anyone had run into this and played with mods for that.

 

 

post #403 of 10479

Do share your comparison of AD2000 and T1.  That is interesting to me.

 

And for the pressure on the top, I also found that happen to me IF the headband is too short.  If I extend the headband a few clicks, then there is no more pressure.  Since the cups will hold on your ear nicely, the extra length reduces the pressure on the top to nonexistence.
 

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Originally Posted by ronrad View Post

New owner of previously owned 1923 here.  Very cool cans!

 

I'm currently comparing them vs a pair of AD2000s to decide the final keeper, but I'm leaning towards the T1s I think.

 

At any rate, I have them hooked up to Parasound DAC2000 XLR  -> PLD 2000.   I've noticed that at very low listening volumes, the T1s tend to sound pretty muffled and flat.   (relative to my other can)   I was curious if others have noticed this, of if it might be a side effect of my amp. 

 

The other niggle I've noticed is that the T1s seem to put a little pressure on the top of my head during longer listening.  I was curious if anyone had run into this and played with mods for that.

 

 



 

post #404 of 10479
To me the AD2000 is a phone does some song extremely well, mainly rock, electronics and female vocal but can sound harsh on some other songs. The T1 is more of a all rounder.
post #405 of 10479

In the past I mated T1 with my Decware CSP2+ at home.  I brought T1 to my office to mate with Phoenix several times.  And I was more and more impressed with T1 and Phoenix setup.  Starting with Classical music, I found T1 has better dynamic range and then today I was listening to Jennifer Warne's The Hunter.  The bass was so impactful and yet elastic and tight at the same time.  The acoustic coupling between the ear cups and my ears was so good that I can feel the pressure wave pounding on my cheeks.  However, the most impressive aspect is on the 3D quality and texture of the singer's voice.  The soundstage was excellent, but even the sound source has its depth.  And the great speed of T1 makes the reverberance so real land life-like.  I have enjoy it greatly.  The warmth, embodiment, transparency and tonality of the sounds are balanced very well.  I cannot recommend it enough.  Very nice experience.

 

The setup was FLAC -> Audio-GD DI -> Ref-1 -> Phoenix -> balanced SilverDragon T1.


Edited by dukja - 4/12/11 at 8:31am
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