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post #3151 of 10477
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Originally Posted by daniel521 View Post

Do you think the midrange is a bit recessed in the dt880? I want to avoid recessed mids like the plague, I hate it! There is also another factor to consider, the t1 is very unforgiving with poor music tracks. If the mids in the dt880 are recessed, is there a headphone with a similar sound and soundstage with a more forward midrange?

 

Yes T1 is unforgiving , but it didn't bothered me to much even with awfully  recorded raw black metal , for DT-880-600 recessed mids hum it's borderline , something similar to DT-880 ? not easy to say , peraphs K70X/Q701 and SRH-940 have some similarities , but both sound quite different from DT-880 ... let's see what other will say about it .

post #3152 of 10477
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Originally Posted by HaVoC-28 View Post

 

Yes T1 is unforgiving , but it didn't bothered me to much even with awfully  recorded raw black metal , for DT-880-600 recessed mids hum it's borderline , something similar to DT-880 ? not easy to say , peraphs K70X/Q701 and SRH-940 have some similarities , but both sound quite different from DT-880 ... let's see what other will say about it .

Are the mids in the dt880 more recessed than the mids in the m50? The mids in the m50 were too recessed for me, but if the mids in the dt880 are at least a little more upfront, it will be fine for me.

post #3153 of 10477
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Thats good to hear, I have a cheaper alternative in case I find the t1 too expensive. Too be honest, Id rather stay away from tube amps, they just seem so hard to maintain and I doubt I could transport them without breaking the tubes. I think i'll get get the t1 and the matrix m-stage. I had a question: have you heard any grado's? Would you say the t1 is better than grado's for rock considering the t1's soundstage and smoother highs? (I enjoy smooth highs)


T1 is not bad in any genre imo, cause it has really good tonal balance. i owned the grado sr225i's in the past and they have a slightly above average soundstage but they were the most fun to listen to for me, really aggressive and intimate cans with bright treble. even with a warm tube amp, the treble still seemed a tad bright to me though i don't really mind that.

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Originally Posted by poodytang View Post


T1 is not bad in any genre imo, cause it has really good tonal balance. i owned the grado sr225i's in the past and they have a slightly above average soundstage but they were the most fun to listen to for me, really aggressive and intimate cans with bright treble. even with a warm tube amp, the treble still seemed a tad bright to me though i don't really mind that.

Do you think something like the RS1i would be better for me since I listen to rock and metal? 

post #3155 of 10477

RS1's are great, but even brighter than the T1's.

post #3156 of 10477
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Originally Posted by BobinNJ View Post

RS1's are great, but even brighter than the T1's.

I'll try some grado's in a store, if I find them too bright, I'll probably get the T1, if not, I think the RS1i will be great for me.

post #3157 of 10477

Grados are great for Rock. If you want good midrange definitely listen to the Grados. They are very midrange-forward. I own the (then) top of the line HP1000's and they are very very musical. The highs are not bright at all. If anything they are a little polite, IMO. If you consider Grado however, I would encourage you to experiment with the easily removable ear pads-- In my experience, I much prefer the 'flats' as opposed to the 'bowl' design. But then, each model has a somewhat different signature and so perhaps different ideal pads.

 

That said, overall I think my Beyer T1's are better than the Grado HP1000. Just a cleaner, more refined sound, and better soundstage. My only warning with the T1's is that they can be a little bright, as many have mentioned. They reveal: good recordings sound great, and bad recordings sound bad. You might also consider a less bright amp-- one of the reasons a lot of people think they sound best with tube amps (usually OTL style). I agree. Keep in mind also that tube amps do not require that much maintenance-- just put the tubes in (carefully) and you're good to go for a long time.

 

I intend on upgrading eventually, but right now I am very happy with the affordable Woo WA3-- the little brother of the much-celebrated WA2.

 

Lastly, if you go with the T1's and finf them a little too bright, you might consider dampening them with felt--- many people have reported very good results. See member Zombie X and his thread on that topic.

post #3158 of 10477
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Originally Posted by Arcamera View Post

Grados are great for Rock. If you want good midrange definitely listen to the Grados. They are very midrange-forward. I own the (then) top of the line HP1000's and they are very very musical. The highs are not bright at all. If anything they are a little polite, IMO. If you consider Grado however, I would encourage you to experiment with the easily removable ear pads-- In my experience, I much prefer the 'flats' as opposed to the 'bowl' design. But then, each model has a somewhat different signature and so perhaps different ideal pads.

 

That said, overall I think my Beyer T1's are better than the Grado HP1000. Just a cleaner, more refined sound, and better soundstage. My only warning with the T1's is that they can be a little bright, as many have mentioned. They reveal: good recordings sound great, and bad recordings sound bad. You might also consider a less bright amp-- one of the reasons a lot of people think they sound best with tube amps (usually OTL style). I agree. Keep in mind also that tube amps do not require that much maintenance-- just put the tubes in (carefully) and you're good to go for a long time.

 

I intend on upgrading eventually, but right now I am very happy with the affordable Woo WA3-- the little brother of the much-celebrated WA2.

 

Lastly, if you go with the T1's and finf them a little too bright, you might consider dampening them with felt--- many people have reported very good results. See member Zombie X and his thread on that topic.

Do you enjoy your T1 more than your grado for rock? Which one sounds more alive and engaging? There's a problem I have with tube amps: I plan in taking my t1 and my amp to another place sometimes, and it seems really hard to carry a tube amp around without breaking it. Isn't there a solid state amp which isn't bright? Can you recommend me a warm solid state amp? My budget is around 500 dollars.

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There are solid state amps that are on the less bright side. Violectric comes to mind. Not sure about prices though. And no doubt others here know other good options.

 

I enjoy the hell out of the Grados for rock. But I actually listen to the T1's more nowadays. That's probably because 1. I'm into somewhat more mellow music now, and 2. the T1's have a more refined sound. They are in fact excellent all-'rounders--- many people have characterized the T1's as being great for just about every style. I do like them for well-recorded rock.

 

I should also mention that I own the Beyer DT880's, and think they are pretty good. Very fun indeed-- very punchy, and with a bright but somewhat softer top end. However, I am one of those people who thinks their mid-range is a little recessed. Certainly compared to the Grados.

 

Do I think the T1's are worth it? Yes, definitely. But I also think the Grados can be great too. Have fun auditioning!

 

Edit: I think the Grados are VERY engaging headphones.


Edited by Arcamera - 9/22/12 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by Arcamera View Post

There are solid state amps that are on the less bright side. Violectric comes to mind. Not sure about prices though. And no doubt others here know other good options.

 

I enjoy the hell out of the Grados for rock. But I actually listen to the T1's more nowadays. That's probably because 1. I'm into somewhat more mellow music now, and 2. the T1's have a more refined sound. They are in fact excellent all-'rounders--- many people have characterized the T1's as being great for just about every style. I do like them for well-recorded rock.

 

I should also mention that I own the Beyer DT880's, and think they are pretty good. Very fun indeed-- very punchy, and with a bright but somewhat softer top end. However, I am one of those people who thinks their mid-range is a little recessed. Certainly compared to the Grados.

 

Do I think the T1's are worth it? Yes, definitely. But I also think the Grados can be great too. Have fun auditioning!

 

Edit: I think the Grados are VERY engaging headphones.

thanks for the advice :). I have to try some grado's in a store to see if I find them too bright or not, and to see if enjoy them. Would you say the t1 is less engaging than the grado's?

post #3161 of 10477

Hmm I am getting this periodic droning alarm sound on the left channel coming out of my Woo Audio 2. Does that means one of my tubes have gone bad? I've had buzzing before but this sound is just completely new to me.

 

EDIT: nevermind just a loose connection.


Edited by leng jai - 9/22/12 at 7:12pm
post #3162 of 10477
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Originally Posted by daniel521 View Post

Do you enjoy your T1 more than your grado for rock? Which one sounds more alive and engaging? There's a problem I have with tube amps: I plan in taking my t1 and my amp to another place sometimes, and it seems really hard to carry a tube amp around without breaking it. Isn't there a solid state amp which isn't bright? Can you recommend me a warm solid state amp? My budget is around 500 dollars.

 

Graham Slee Solo II and Burson HA160 can be matched with what you need

post #3163 of 10477
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Originally Posted by BobinNJ View Post

RS1's are great, but even brighter than the T1's.

 

I think you're using the wrong vocab there, but maybe you really have that opinion.

post #3164 of 10477
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Originally Posted by TheMiddleSky View Post

 

Graham Slee Solo II and Burson HA160 can be matched with what you need

 

 

I think the Burson is a good amp (I own one too), very detailed, dynamic, punchy, forward and engaging, but I think it's a little too bright, especially for the T1's. After trying other amps, I don't think it's an ideal match. I've heard good things about the Graham Slee though. 

post #3165 of 10477

I like my Burson.....but I really need to try these T1's out of the WA2 to see what people are talking about.  Maybe a used one will pop up on the FS forum for a good price....fingers crossed:)

 

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Originally Posted by Arcamera View Post

 

 

I think the Burson is a good amp (I own one too), very detailed, dynamic, punchy, forward and engaging, but I think it's a little too bright, especially for the T1's. After trying other amps, I don't think it's an ideal match. I've heard good things about the Graham Slee though. 

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