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I find my DT880 to be brighter than my T1's. To me the T1's have a lot of treble but it's smooth.
 

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I think the T1 is very bright also and prefer the sound of the LCD-2 (and other similarly sounding headphones, which I have compared here) and was able to control any sibilance issues with source pairing.  I was using the RPX-33 as an amp and tried the MX-HUD1, my Audiotrak Prodigy HiFi 7.1 sound card, or modded iPod 5.5g as a source.  I had to roll the opamps in the HUD-1 to get the best sound out of my combo (AD8599) to match well with the amp, and the Audiotrak didn't sound great, but the iPod did (which was surprising).  I wonder if I would have got different results from the T1 with different amps/DACs and am wondering if I should keep it and try more options or not.

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I find my DT880 to be brighter than my T1's. To me the T1's have a lot of treble but it's smooth.
 

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I think the T1 is very bright also and prefer the sound of the LCD-2 (and other similarly sounding headphones, which I have compared here) and was able to control any sibilance issues with source pairing.  I was using the RPX-33 as an amp and tried the MX-HUD1, my Audiotrak Prodigy HiFi 7.1 sound card, or modded iPod 5.5g as a source.  I had to roll the opamps in the HUD-1 to get the best sound out of my combo (AD8599) to match well with the amp, and the Audiotrak didn't sound great, but the iPod did (which was surprising).  I wonder if I would have got different results from the T1 with different amps/DACs and am wondering if I should keep it and try more options or not.


I found the DT880s quite a bit brighter too....led me to eventually sell them off. The T1s are slightly on the warm side of neutral IMO. But coming from the overly dark HD650s, anything can sound bright next to them.

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I find my DT880 to be brighter than my T1's. To me the T1's have a lot of treble but it's smooth.
 

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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post


I think the T1 is very bright also and prefer the sound of the LCD-2 (and other similarly sounding headphones, which I have compared here) and was able to control any sibilance issues with source pairing.  I was using the RPX-33 as an amp and tried the MX-HUD1, my Audiotrak Prodigy HiFi 7.1 sound card, or modded iPod 5.5g as a source.  I had to roll the opamps in the HUD-1 to get the best sound out of my combo (AD8599) to match well with the amp, and the Audiotrak didn't sound great, but the iPod did (which was surprising).  I wonder if I would have got different results from the T1 with different amps/DACs and am wondering if I should keep it and try more options or not.


I found the DT880s quite a bit brighter too....led me to eventually sell them off. The T1s are slightly on the warm side of neutral IMO. But coming from the overly dark HD650s, anything can sound bright next to them.



Interesting because I have the LCD-2, EM3 Pro, SM3, and EP-10 Plus, which all seem to be on the neutral side to me and the T1 sounds much brighter.  Wherever they really stand, I prefer the sound of the others vs. the T1 when given a choice with my current sources.

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I find my DT880 to be brighter than my T1's. To me the T1's have a lot of treble but it's smooth.
 

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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post


I think the T1 is very bright also and prefer the sound of the LCD-2 (and other similarly sounding headphones, which I have compared here) and was able to control any sibilance issues with source pairing.  I was using the RPX-33 as an amp and tried the MX-HUD1, my Audiotrak Prodigy HiFi 7.1 sound card, or modded iPod 5.5g as a source.  I had to roll the opamps in the HUD-1 to get the best sound out of my combo (AD8599) to match well with the amp, and the Audiotrak didn't sound great, but the iPod did (which was surprising).  I wonder if I would have got different results from the T1 with different amps/DACs and am wondering if I should keep it and try more options or not.


I found the DT880s quite a bit brighter too....led me to eventually sell them off. The T1s are slightly on the warm side of neutral IMO. But coming from the overly dark HD650s, anything can sound bright next to them.



Interesting because I have the LCD-2, EM3 Pro, SM3, and EP-10 Plus, which all seem to be on the neutral side to me and the T1 sounds much brighter.  Wherever they really stand, I prefer the sound of the others vs. the T1 when given a choice with my current sources.


I too own the LCD-2s and still classify the T1s as slightly warm of neutral. The LCD-2s are even more so. Just go listen to the HD800s or K701s/DT880s to hear something on the brighter side of neutral.

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I too own the LCD-2s and still classify the T1s as slightly warm of neutral. The LCD-2s are even more so. Just go listen to the HD800s or K701s/DT880s to hear something on the brighter side of neutral.


Hmmm, I wonder it it is an amp/source thing because I found the T1 treble to be much more prominent than the LCD-2 treble with the T1 being leaner overall.

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I too own the LCD-2s and still classify the T1s as slightly warm of neutral. The LCD-2s are even more so. Just go listen to the HD800s or K701s/DT880s to hear something on the brighter side of neutral.


Hmmm, I wonder it it is an amp/source thing because I found the T1 treble to be much more prominent than the LCD-2 treble with the T1 being leaner overall.


The T1's treble is more prominent than the LCD-2s. To clarify, I was saying that the LCD-2s are even more warmer than the T1s. But next to the HD800s/K701/DT880/HD600s, the T1's are slightly on the warm side of neutral. Hope this clarifies things better.

post #232 of 10478
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Yes the DT880 is very neutral. Try a DT48E, those are so painfully neutral and analytical. The DT48E, from memory, is very bright.

 

Oh but yeah with the T1's brightness I would say it all depends on what gear you are using them with to determine how bright they are. I find on my WA3+ that they are not that bright at all. The treble is very smooth and not fatiguing at all. But then again I never had any issues with treble to begin with.

 

The only headphone I truly hated was the MDR-V6 as it was ALL treble, distant sucked out mids, and weak shallow bass. It was a really harsh sounding headphone in the end and I promptly sold my pair.

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I found the DT880s quite a bit brighter too....led me to eventually sell them off. The T1s are slightly on the warm side of neutral IMO. But coming from the overly dark HD650s, anything can sound bright next to them.



I've owned a DT-880 (2003) 250 Ohm and HD650. Comparing those two, the 880 was surely the treble king. The 880 lacked in the mids department where the 650 excelled in silky goodness. I think because of this midrange dip, the 880 came off as being overly bright and I could only stand them with "reference" quality recordings.They did have impressive treble extension with these HQ recordings. I used an Aphex 204 processor to brighten the 650 which worked great. After I bought the JVC DX1000, the 650 seemed to be inferior no matter what processing I used. Only that silky midrange with the 650 kept me slightly interested but not enough to use them. I have fond memories of wanting the 650 so badly, then buying them new for $290...sweet price. They were my reference for at least 2 years.

 

My T1 reigns supreme now and the JVC is on the chopping block.

post #234 of 10478
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I'm glad you like the T1 so much GreatDane. The T1 is not appreciated as much as they should be.

 

What's funny is that people seem to believe  to tier cans need an amp of equal caliber, but in reality they do not. I also found that the HD800 did not require as much amping as others might suggest. Quite funny that the PHENIX G3 ($160 amp) could drive them really well. Although they will scale with better amping.

 

For me I personally did not like the HD650 sound. Sounds odd right? I mean I love the HD600 to death but the HD650 is far too smooth for my liking and I did not enjoy the bass at all. I do prefer the HD600's more treble oriented sound, but my set needs new pads as mine are totally flat from use.

post #235 of 10478
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

The T1's treble is more prominent than the LCD-2s. To clarify, I was saying that the LCD-2s are even more warmer than the T1s. But next to the HD800s/K701/DT880/HD600s, the T1's are slightly on the warm side of neutral. Hope this clarifies things better.


Yes, most definitely the T1 has more prominent treble!  OK, good to know where the T1s compare with the other cans listed.

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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

Yes the DT880 is very neutral. Try a DT48E, those are so painfully neutral and analytical. The DT48E, from memory, is very bright.

 

Oh but yeah with the T1's brightness I would say it all depends on what gear you are using them with to determine how bright they are. I find on my WA3+ that they are not that bright at all. The treble is very smooth and not fatiguing at all. But then again I never had any issues with treble to begin with.

 

The only headphone I truly hated was the MDR-V6 as it was ALL treble, distant sucked out mids, and weak shallow bass. It was a really harsh sounding headphone in the end and I promptly sold my pair.


Do you mean the balance of the treble on the DT880 is very neutral compared to the rest of the spectrum?  I go to concerts/live performances maybe once every other month and to me the T1 sounds brighter than the sounds I hear at those concerts, with the LCD-2 sounding more like what I hear live.  Maybe different HRTF for us?

 

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I've owned a DT-880 (2003) 250 Ohm and HD650. Comparing those two, the 880 was surely the treble king. The 880 lacked in the mids department where the 650 excelled in silky goodness. I think because of this midrange dip, the 880 came off as being overly bright and I could only stand them with "reference" quality recordings.They did have impressive treble extension with these HQ recordings. I used an Aphex 204 processor to brighten the 650 which worked great. After I bought the JVC DX1000, the 650 seemed to be inferior no matter what processing I used. Only that silky midrange with the 650 kept me slightly interested but not enough to use them. I have fond memories of wanting the 650 so badly, then buying them new for $290...sweet price. They were my reference for at least 2 years.

 

My T1 reigns supreme now and the JVC is on the chopping block.


I do think the T1 is excellent and the quality of the treble is great, but the amount is not my cup O tea now that I have a stable of others that are warmer/darker.  Funny you say the 880 lacked in the mids department, that is kind of how I hear the T1 compared with the LCD-2.  I guess I am lucky as my 3rd can seems to be a keeper for me, but I am still trying to figure out what to do with my T1.

 

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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

I'm glad you like the T1 so much GreatDane. The T1 is not appreciated as much as they should be.

 

What's funny is that people seem to believe  to tier cans need an amp of equal caliber, but in reality they do not. I also found that the HD800 did not require as much amping as others might suggest. Quite funny that the PHENIX G3 ($160 amp) could drive them really well. Although they will scale with better amping.

 

For me I personally did not like the HD650 sound. Sounds odd right? I mean I love the HD600 to death but the HD650 is far too smooth for my liking and I did not enjoy the bass at all. I do prefer the HD600's more treble oriented sound, but my set needs new pads as mine are totally flat from use.


For me, unless I used the RPX-33 or Stepdance (15V supply at moderate volume at the loudest) the T1 sounds like it lacks dynamics and excitement.  Maybe I should get a G3 and give my T1 another try.  For that price ($180 shipped), it seems kind of hard to pass up!  Any thoughts/guesses on how the G3 would fair compared to a RPX-33?  I was actually thinking of getting a Violetric HP181 or HP200 for the LCD-2, I wonder how either of those amps would work with the T1.

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My T1 reigns supreme now and the JVC is on the chopping block.


Edited by ardilla - 12/20/10 at 4:04am
post #238 of 10478

lol

 

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post #239 of 10478

Thanks for the feedback on the treble... My LCD-2s are on the way, so I guess I will see which pair matches my system better and sell the one I prefer the less. The initial plan was to just get the LCD-2 since I knew from reviews that its sound signature was a bit more like the HD650 than the other "top 3" cans. I got such a great deal on the T1s (Thanks Macedonian :)) that I couldn't pass up the chance to try them.

I think overall they sound really good but the combination of me preferring "warm" sound and bass emphasis over treble along with, possibly, some bad quality recordings makes it so the T1 might not be the perfect fit for me. I think when you spend nearly 1k on a pair of cans they should be perfect for your ears, so by no means am I bashing the T1s. :)

 

post #240 of 10478

Alright, so it looks like the LCD is a better fit to my ears than the T1. I really enjoy its sound and there's no trace of the harsh treble with it.. I think I have sensitive ears to treble since 3 people i've A/Bed the T1/LCD-2 all preferred the T1.. I'm debating if I should keep both since the T1 certainly has a great sound and brings things in terms of soundstage and detail that the LCD-2 doesn't match IMO.

 

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