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Would it be thought that changing from a Hybrid amp (Schiit Lyr) to a Decware CSp2+ or WA2 OTL amp would reduce brightness significantly?

 

The level of detail on the T1's is impressive, but the brightness when running through a Bifrost/Lyr set-up originally purchased for my LCD-2 Rev.2 seems very bright and sibilant at times, depending on the recording...

 

Answers would be appreciated from people with similar experiences.

 

Thank you,

post #2147 of 10479

And to be direct,

 

I like the sound of many Grado headphones (and their treble), I just find during some recordings, things such as cymbal splashes and some high vocals tend to be sibilant and slightly overpower the rest of the recording during certain moments.

post #2148 of 10479
I just did a quick test with the T1 Wa2 vs Lyr. Using Yann Tiersen's La Valse D'Amélie (orchesta version) I don't notice a huge difference in the treble, if any. The most obvious difference is in sound stage (Gardiner on Beethoven's 9th). The Woo comes across as fuller and deeper.

What tubes are you using with the Lyr? Tube selection has a fairly large impact on the sound the Lyr puts out.
post #2149 of 10479

Does the T1 perform adequately with the Lyr, Pudu? Do you notice any noise when the T1 is connected with no music playing? 

post #2150 of 10479

Zombie_X, how would you compare the V200 with the WA3+, using the T1's? Thanks.

post #2151 of 10479
It's not pure black, no. In a very quiet room there is the tiniest of hums at listening level. You would have to strain to notice it. It is quite evident if you turn the amp up way past listening levels. This is true with the T1 and LCD2. However on lower impedance phones - 1350's in my case - the background hum is very noticeable. However I WOULDN'T recommend using something like the 1350's with the Lyr. That's a recipe for blown drivers.

Edit: Sorry, I see only now that you already have the LCD and Lyr. For me the background is the tiniest bit more evident with the T1 compared to the LCD. But again I wouldn't notice it if I didn't go looking for it.

I've been going back and forth between various combinations of T1, LCD, Wa2 and Lyr. The T1+ Wa2 is very different from the LCD+Lyr but I'm still trying to figure out where the big changes are coming from, phone vs amp.
Edited by Pudu - 2/29/12 at 7:06am
post #2152 of 10479

Thanks, I would use the T1 with the Lyr along with the LCD2 only. I just don't want to purchase another amp so the Lyr would need to be capable enough for both a T1 and LCD-2.

post #2153 of 10479
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Originally Posted by shamrock134 View Post

Thanks, I would use the T1 with the Lyr along with the LCD2 only. I just don't want to purchase another amp so the Lyr would need to be capable enough for both a T1 and LCD-2.


The Lyr works fine with the T1. I just don't know if you gain much by having T1 + Lyr versus LCD + Lyr. There are some small differences in sound stage etc, but I wouldn't drop a grand for them. The big differences, for me at least are in the synergy twixt phones and amp - as flaky as that sounds.
Edited by Pudu - 2/29/12 at 7:10am
post #2154 of 10479

Hmm, I thought the signatures were different enough that they'd compliment eachother? LCD-2r1 doesn't have a big soundstage, is thicker and more bass/mid orientated while the T1 is really open and is more neutral sounding with slight treble emphasis?

post #2155 of 10479
The T1 basically gives you what your amp provides. It doesn't take a small sound stage and make substantially bigger. Also I don't find it treble happy.
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Originally Posted by Pudu View Post

I just did a quick test with the T1 Wa2 vs Lyr. Using Yann Tiersen's La Valse D'Amélie (orchesta version) I don't notice a huge difference in the treble, if any. The most obvious difference is in sound stage (Gardiner on Beethoven's 9th). The Woo comes across as fuller and deeper.
What tubes are you using with the Lyr? Tube selection has a fairly large impact on the sound the Lyr puts out.



Stock Schiit GE tubes.

 

post #2157 of 10479

GE 6BZ7

post #2158 of 10479
Well those guys are a bit more mellow than the other stock option of the 6N1Ps - I never tried the JJ's. Right now I have Matsusheetas in the Lyr - they are nice rounded tubes, fairly musical. I don't have much experience with tube rolling the Lyr but if you ask in that thread I'm sure someone can suggest something to help you tame the treble a bit. Certainly cheaper than going OTL if you find something that works.

On the other hand, an excuse to pair the T1 with an OTL amp isn't necessarily a bad thing...
post #2159 of 10479

I changed my Teslas to a #2079 demo pair in the store after comparing them for about an hour. Shame about the old headband but man, these sound like i expected them to sound.

 

Now the bass extends all the way down and I can feel the oomph in my chest <3 The Grado-like treble is also toned down. I'm so happy! Except for the headband.

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Originally Posted by Kirnupiima View Post

I changed my Teslas to a #2079 demo pair in the store after comparing them for about an hour. Shame about the old headband but man, these sound like i expected them to sound.

 

Now the bass extends all the way down and I can feel the oomph in my chest <3 The Grado-like treble is also toned down. I'm so happy! Except for the headband.



But better bass extension doesn't have much to do with impact. confused_face(1).gif So the demo pair has better mid-bass?

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