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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

Really I think using 'constricted" is a exaggeration. Sure it's smaller, but it doesn't sound like a Grado's soundstage. It's still quite open and accurate, just smaller.

 

Speaking of flaws, what flaws are you speaking of? The only thing I can complain about is how some IEM's do not function properly on it.
 



 

 

The flaws that I'm referring to are the constricted soundstage and smearing of detail.  I tried to like the V200 (I did pay for it, after all) but even without A/Bing with the Benchmark Dac1 USB's amp, I could tell on symphonies that the soundstage is quite constricted and the individual instruments in a section get smeared together.  It became even more obvious in A/B comparisons.
 

It's kind of hard to characterize exactly but it's as if there was a veil to the sound.  

 

post #2117 of 10478

These are not very good metal cans are they? I'm having a hard time finding the basslines from some of my favourite albums. eg. Wolves in the Throne Room - Celestial Lineage. 

 

The supposed burn-in time of 150hrs is not up yet, though. Propably around a hundred now. I don't have an EQ for my turntable :(

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Originally Posted by Kirnupiima View Post

These are not very good metal cans are they? I'm having a hard time finding the basslines from some of my favourite albums. eg. Wolves in the Throne Room - Celestial Lineage. 

 

The supposed burn-in time of 150hrs is not up yet, though. Propably around a hundred now. I don't have an EQ for my turntable :(



My T1 out of the box was (and is) awesome  for metal , for me at least , (i don't care about burning) and i don't need any kind of EQ to enjoy it . Bassline missing ? I don't know , never felt this . There is more bass heavy headphones than T1 this is sure , but i think T1 as enough bass for Metal . 

post #2119 of 10478

Maybe he got one of the fabled bass-light T1s?  Does it sound bright?

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Originally Posted by Saintly View Post

Maybe he got one of the fabled bass-light T1s?  Does it sound bright?



Well, after owning a Grado 225 not especially, but it's not very far from it. I'm missing all of the low-end.

This is not what I'm hearing.graphCompare.php?graphType=0&graphID[]=2033&graphID[]=373

It's like the blue line should be below the red in the bass region.


Edited by Kirnupiima - 2/26/12 at 12:13pm
post #2121 of 10478

 

What are you using to power the T1?

 

Opinion seems to vary a lot on how much bass the T1 actually has. So far I've read 'more than HD800', 'less than HD800', 'more than Q/K701', 'more than DT880 but less than DT990', 'similar to DT990'. confused.gif

post #2122 of 10478

I'm using a NuForce Icon HDP atm. Cavalli's bijou is on the way.

post #2123 of 10478
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Originally Posted by Kirnupiima View Post


Well, after owning a Grado 225 not especially, but it's not very far from it. I'm missing all of the low-end.

This is not what I'm hearing.

It's like the blue line should be below the red from 8k downwards.


 

Something probably isn't right with your pair.  Earlier on in this thread, there were reports of bright and bass-light T1s.  Can you get in touch with your seller to see if you can exchange?  Product variation should not be so extreme.

 

Edit:  I just saw that you're using the Nuforce HDP.  It's known to be bright but the bass should not be missing.

 

 

 

post #2124 of 10478

It's tough to compare these to the Grados because they sound so different but i think i can distinguish bass guitar and kick drums more easily with Grados. Maybe I expected to get more bassy headphones staring at that graph and ended up noticing that 3dB difference in the graph doesn't make that much of a difference in the bass with all the other factors included :p

post #2125 of 10478
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Originally Posted by shamrock134 View Post

 

What are you using to power the T1?

 

Opinion seems to vary a lot on how much bass the T1 actually has. So far I've read 'more than HD800', 'less than HD800', 'more than Q/K701', 'more than DT880 but less than DT990', 'similar to DT990'. confused.gif



The T1 has more midbass, while the HD800 has slightly better extension. Most of the reports I've read have said the same. I'll also add that the T1's bass hangs for a while longer, meaning it has a longer decay. This also gives the impression of more bass IME.

post #2126 of 10478

Thanks, I'm still trying to decide on an open can that compliments the LCD2 and doesn't totally sacrifice the bass. T1 seems like a good option, but I can't try them out and blind buying an £800 headphone seems like a bad idea.

post #2127 of 10478
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Originally Posted by shamrock134 View Post

Thanks, I'm still trying to decide on an open can that compliments the LCD2 and doesn't totally sacrifice the bass. T1 seems like a good option, but I can't try them out and blind buying an £800 headphone seems like a bad idea.



I did exactly that. And I'm a bit troubled :D

post #2128 of 10478
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Originally Posted by Kirnupiima View Post



I did exactly that. And I'm a bit troubled :D



See if you can get an exchange or return.  Your pair doesn't sound right from your descriptions.

post #2129 of 10478

I'll consider that. I think I'll do some thorough comparisons tomorrow with fresh ears and maybe ask for a friend's opinion on this. Feels like such a pain to send these back since the whole purchase was so troublesome. (They didn't have these in stock although they though they had etc. and it took 2 weeks more than promised for these to get to me.)

post #2130 of 10478
Thread Starter 

Well those aren't flaws, it was designed this way. It was meant to sound smooth and pleasing. Sure it has the smearing you spoke of but IMO it's not all that bad. In direct comparison to my Auditor I can hear this "smearing" but it's not bad nor does it really detract from the sound. This amp reminds me of a tube amp, and that's a good thing.

 

As for using the Benchmark, I think that's not a good comparison. From when I tried the Benchmark DAC1 USB, I found it's headphone output to be "ok", but not great. It was high current and Grado's did sound good on it, but for anything else it didn't sound all that good. I could hear noticeable hiss in the background as well as some edgieness tot he sound. One thing I'll give it is that it was detailed and airy, but the sound was off. I'm not sure how to describe it.
 

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Originally Posted by Saintly View Post

 

The flaws that I'm referring to are the constricted soundstage and smearing of detail.  I tried to like the V200 (I did pay for it, after all) but even without A/Bing with the Benchmark Dac1 USB's amp, I could tell on symphonies that the soundstage is quite constricted and the individual instruments in a section get smeared together.  It became even more obvious in A/B comparisons.
 

It's kind of hard to characterize exactly but it's as if there was a veil to the sound.  


 

 

I use my T1's for metal as they have more than enough bass. Plus the more forward midrange makes the guitars and vocals shine.

 

Something must be wrong with your pair as my T1 has more bass than the SR-225i, and certainly more then a SR-325is. I can't understand how your pair can sound so different.
 

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Originally Posted by Kirnupiima View Post

These are not very good metal cans are they? I'm having a hard time finding the basslines from some of my favourite albums. eg. Wolves in the Throne Room - Celestial Lineage. 

 

The supposed burn-in time of 150hrs is not up yet, though. Propably around a hundred now. I don't have an EQ for my turntable :(



 

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