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post #211 of 10479
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Interesting as you guys are using the same amp. Is the Havana an aggressive source?


Could be, I'm using a PS Audio DLIII (slightly warm typical PS Audio sound), or it could be the recording, or as they say, every ear is different.

post #212 of 10479
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Interesting as you guys are using the same amp. Is the Havana an aggressive source?



as far as I know, it's quite the opposite. I think my ears just sensitive to treble highs.. :) I'm tempted to buy a Woo and try it out and sell the amp  I prefer less. 

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With more listen and the addition of the Concerto, I am not sure if the T1s are for me.. The detail is amazing and for certain types of music (anything acoustic, classical or mellow) it's great, but for some others the treble sounds very harsh to me.. whenever there is distortion (guitars) or slightly higher pitched male voices, it just hurts my ears because the treble is too piercing. Like a cheese grater. I often find myself changing songs because it's just not pleasant. On some songs they sound heavenly, though.

 

I tried the T1s on my LD MKIII and the treble peaks, while less harsh, were still there. So perhaps I just don't enjoy the sound of the T1s and it isn't an amp issue? It's hard to say since the MKIII is not a high-end tube amp. 

 

Has anyone else experienced these harsh treble peaks with the T1s? I really love the detail and clarity they have but not if it also hurts my ears. :P

I find the T1's treble laid back, more so (laid back) than the K701s, D7000s, HD600s, Ed8s, or HD800s. bigsmile_face.gif
 


I think overall the treble is laid back, but then when it comes to heavily distorted instruments it just loses it completely and it becomes messy/very harsh and too bright. Like I said it really shines on anything non-electric guitar it seems.. though on vocals sometimes I also get a high "lisp" that is just really uncomfortable to my ears.

 

Perhaps the sound will tighten up a bit with more use on the amp? I  have about 25-35 hrs on it right now. I was also thinking perhaps some slight EQing in foobar might help the situation.. but I don't know which settings to use.. any ideas? :P

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With more listen and the addition of the Concerto, I am not sure if the T1s are for me.. The detail is amazing and for certain types of music (anything acoustic, classical or mellow) it's great, but for some others the treble sounds very harsh to me.. whenever there is distortion (guitars) or slightly higher pitched male voices, it just hurts my ears because the treble is too piercing. Like a cheese grater. I often find myself changing songs because it's just not pleasant. On some songs they sound heavenly, though.

 

I tried the T1s on my LD MKIII and the treble peaks, while less harsh, were still there. So perhaps I just don't enjoy the sound of the T1s and it isn't an amp issue? It's hard to say since the MKIII is not a high-end tube amp. 

 

Has anyone else experienced these harsh treble peaks with the T1s? I really love the detail and clarity they have but not if it also hurts my ears. :P

I find the T1's treble laid back, more so (laid back) than the K701s, D7000s, HD600s, Ed8s, or HD800s. bigsmile_face.gif
 


I think overall the treble is laid back, but then when it comes to heavily distorted instruments it just loses it completely and it becomes messy/very harsh and too bright. Like I said it really shines on anything non-electric guitar it seems.. though on vocals sometimes I also get a high "lisp" that is just really uncomfortable to my ears.

 

Perhaps the sound will tighten up a bit with more use on the amp? I  have about 25-35 hrs on it right now. I was also thinking perhaps some slight EQing in foobar might help the situation.. but I don't know which settings to use.. any ideas? :P



I'm not hearing it with the Concerto/T1 pairing at all. It could be your DAC/source material too. What other headphones do you have on hand? How much burn in on the cans have you put?

 

post #215 of 10479
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I'm not hearing it with the Concerto/T1 pairing at all. It could be your DAC/source material too. What other headphones do you have on hand? How much burn in on the cans have you put?

 


Well I got the headphones used so I am not sure how many hrs they have, but surely close or above 100hrs since they were bought in June. I have the HD650s but it's hard to compare since it's a very dark and muddy headphone compared to the T1.. I am listening to them now and I don't get the same harsh treble from them.

It's sort of amazing the difference in clarity and detail between the 2 cans :)

I'll give the Concerto more time to fully "burn in" and then decide.. perhaps I'll get a WA6 or WA2 and see how the sound changes. At worse I'll lose a bit of $ on the exchange. Or perhaps I'll wait for the LCD-2 and see if I like them more.


Edited by PascalT - 12/15/10 at 10:03am
post #216 of 10479
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I'm not hearing it with the Concerto/T1 pairing at all. It could be your DAC/source material too. What other headphones do you have on hand? How much burn in on the cans have you put?

 


Well I got the headphones used so I am not sure how many hrs they have, but surely close or above 100hrs since they were bought in June. I have the HD650s but it's hard to compare since it's a very dark and muddy headphone compared to the T1.. I am listening to them now and I don't get the same harsh treble from them.

It's sort of amazing the difference in clarity and detail between the 2 cans :)

I'll give the Concerto more time to fully "burn in" and then decide.. perhaps I'll get a WA6 or WA2 and see how the sound changes. At worse I'll lose a bit of $ on the exchange. Or perhaps I'll wait for the LCD-2 and see if I like them more.


I wouldn't exactly call the rolled off treble of the HD650s as neutral or "reference". So if you're comparing the T1s to the dark HD650s will significantly rolled off treble (IMO of course), that may be your issue. You should go and hear some Pro900s or K701s if you want a treble-head can. smile.gif

post #217 of 10479
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Originally Posted by PascalT View Post

With more listen and the addition of the Concerto, I am not sure if the T1s are for me.. The detail is amazing and for certain types of music (anything acoustic, classical or mellow) it's great, but for some others the treble sounds very harsh to me.. whenever there is distortion (guitars) or slightly higher pitched male voices, it just hurts my ears because the treble is too piercing. Like a cheese grater. I often find myself changing songs because it's just not pleasant. On some songs they sound heavenly, though.

 

I tried the T1s on my LD MKIII and the treble peaks, while less harsh, were still there. So perhaps I just don't enjoy the sound of the T1s and it isn't an amp issue? It's hard to say since the MKIII is not a high-end tube amp. 

 

Has anyone else experienced these harsh treble peaks with the T1s? I really love the detail and clarity they have but not if it also hurts my ears. :P


I'm using the same 2 pairs of headphones with a Wa2. My taste in music is all over the place; but I am particularly fond of great guitar players from Segovia -> Satriani. I've tweaked my system specifically for electric guitar. I'm also an old fart, meaning some of of my favorites are lousy recordings.

 

I love my T1s and use them 95% of the time. However, they are too revealing and borderline painful on bad and sometimes marginal recordings. The Senn's just ooze comfort, both physically and acoustically. The T1s pretty much force me to pay attention. I'll be using both for the foreseeable future.

 

The biggest problem that I had getting guitar distortion to sound correct was actually with my source. The 12ax7's in my CD player were way more temperamental than anything in the Woo.

post #218 of 10479

thanks for the info. :) I guess it's not as simple as one element of the chain being off. Recording quality does seem to play a big part in my issues.. some of them sound amazing and some are very tough to hear from beginning to end. It's good to hear you also refer them as "borderline painful" on some recordings. The HD650s definitely masked a lot of the flaws I had in my music files. I actually have a hard time listening to the 650 now. I just feel like the soundstage and detailing is not to my liking at all anymore.  

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Originally Posted by PascalT View Post

With more listen and the addition of the Concerto, I am not sure if the T1s are for me.. The detail is amazing and for certain types of music (anything acoustic, classical or mellow) it's great, but for some others the treble sounds very harsh to me.. whenever there is distortion (guitars) or slightly higher pitched male voices, it just hurts my ears because the treble is too piercing. Like a cheese grater. I often find myself changing songs because it's just not pleasant. On some songs they sound heavenly, though.

 

I tried the T1s on my LD MKIII and the treble peaks, while less harsh, were still there. So perhaps I just don't enjoy the sound of the T1s and it isn't an amp issue? It's hard to say since the MKIII is not a high-end tube amp. 

 

Has anyone else experienced these harsh treble peaks with the T1s? I really love the detail and clarity they have but not if it also hurts my ears. :P

I find the T1's treble laid back, more so (laid back) than the K701s, D7000s, HD600s, Ed8s, or HD800s. bigsmile_face.gif
 


I think overall the treble is laid back, but then when it comes to heavily distorted instruments it just loses it completely and it becomes messy/very harsh and too bright. Like I said it really shines on anything non-electric guitar it seems.. though on vocals sometimes I also get a high "lisp" that is just really uncomfortable to my ears.

 

Perhaps the sound will tighten up a bit with more use on the amp? I  have about 25-35 hrs on it right now. I was also thinking perhaps some slight EQing in foobar might help the situation.. but I don't know which settings to use.. any ideas? :P

 

 

Maybe a amp with more current?
 

post #220 of 10479

In my system, I only found T1 has similar problem as you described with only ONE of my CDs, the 1st soundtrack of Pirates of the Caribbean suite.  That CD's recording is definitely not right (too edgy and bright) and I have discovered that long before I use DT880/600.  It just sounds even more edgy and brighter with T1.  It is like T1 has the resolution to amplifying the details (or defects).

 

Also, T1 has higher sensitivity than my DT880/600, which makes it sounds "too edgy" but it actually was just too loud with my past volume setting.

 

As to my other music, there is no problem as you described with T1 in my system.
 

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Originally Posted by PascalT View Post

thanks for the info. :) I guess it's not as simple as one element of the chain being off. Recording quality does seem to play a big part in my issues.. some of them sound amazing and some are very tough to hear from beginning to end. It's good to hear you also refer them as "borderline painful" on some recordings. The HD650s definitely masked a lot of the flaws I had in my music files. I actually have a hard time listening to the 650 now. I just feel like the soundstage and detailing is not to my liking at all anymore.  

post #221 of 10479

Hi PascalT

 

I guess we're in the same boat. I have the HD650 and the T1 - and often find the T1 too bright. It was unbearable on my Grace m902 - which I sold off. It's mostly OK with the Naim Headline. I had the same problem with HD800, just worse. I do not, however find the HD650 unlistenable because of "lost" detail, however. I actually appreciate its natural and relaxed presentation more and more.

 

Anyway - I have ordered the Woo WA2 amp too see if it solves my T1 trouble. Highly recommended by skylab, has a "warm" reputation. Hope it solves the brightness issues, because the Grace that I sold in order to finance the WA2 was a magnificant match with my HD650... I'll post my experiences here, of course - but I'm, not gonna have the WA2 before in a month or so (lead time + shipping)

 

My advice is firstly to start enjoying your HD650's again. get inspiration here: http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/197776/sennheiser-hd650-appreciation-thread/1965#post_7134682

 - if you want to make them crisper and with more soundstage, get the Grace m902 :-) Give them a recable. 

 

If you, as I, refuse to give up on the T1 there is a cable mod that is said to reduce sibliance (or just swap the cable all together): 

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/509021/beyerdynamic-t1-cable-connection-mod

Also, amping the T1 is also discussed here http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/517517/beyerdynamics-t1-amplification-thread

 

 

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Originally Posted by PascalT View Post

thanks for the info. :) I guess it's not as simple as one element of the chain being off. Recording quality does seem to play a big part in my issues.. some of them sound amazing and some are very tough to hear from beginning to end. It's good to hear you also refer them as "borderline painful" on some recordings. The HD650s definitely masked a lot of the flaws I had in my music files. I actually have a hard time listening to the 650 now. I just feel like the soundstage and detailing is not to my liking at all anymore.  


Edited by ardilla - 12/19/10 at 8:35am
post #222 of 10479

Can I post here?  I am soon to be a T1 owner. :)  Mine should arrive this week. yay!!!!

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Can I post here?  I am soon to be a T1 owner. :)  Mine should arrive this week. yay!!!!


You just did. Congrats :-)

 

What amp do you plan to use?

post #224 of 10479
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Can I post here?  I am soon to be a T1 owner. :)  Mine should arrive this week. yay!!!!


You just did. Congrats :-)

 

What amp do you plan to use?

I planned on giving the Lehmann BCL a try first.  It worked well with the DT990/600 Ohms I had so I hope it will play nice with the T1.
 

post #225 of 10479

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Hi PascalT

 

I guess we're in the same boat. I have the HD650 and the T1 - and often find the T1 too bright. It was unbearable on my Grace m902 - which I sold off. It's mostly OK with the Naim Headline. I had the same problem with HD800, just worse. I do not, however find the HD650 unlistenable because of "lost" detail, however. I actually appreciate its natural and relaxed presentation more and more.

 

Anyway - I have ordered the Woo WA2 amp too see if it solves my T1 trouble. Hope so, because the Grace that I sold in order to finance the WA2 was a magnificant match with my HD650... I'll post my experiences here, of course - but I'm, not gonna have the WA2 before in a month or so (lead time + shipping)

 

My advice: Enjoy your HD650. Don't have any advice on the T1, yet, though. Except there is a cable mod that is said to reduce sibliance (or just swap the cable all together): 

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/509021/beyerdynamic-t1-cable-connection-mod

 

 

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Originally Posted by PascalT View Post

thanks for the info. :) I guess it's not as simple as one element of the chain being off. Recording quality does seem to play a big part in my issues.. some of them sound amazing and some are very tough to hear from beginning to end. It's good to hear you also refer them as "borderline painful" on some recordings. The HD650s definitely masked a lot of the flaws I had in my music files. I actually have a hard time listening to the 650 now. I just feel like the soundstage and detailing is not to my liking at all anymore.  


I think the T1 is very bright also and prefer the sound of the LCD-2 (and other similarly sounding headphones, which I have compared here) and was able to control any sibilance issues with source pairing.  I was using the RPX-33 as an amp and tried the MX-HUD1, my Audiotrak Prodigy HiFi 7.1 sound card, or modded iPod 5.5g as a source.  I had to roll the opamps in the HUD-1 to get the best sound out of my combo (AD8599) to match well with the amp, and the Audiotrak didn't sound great, but the iPod did (which was surprising).  I wonder if I would have got different results from the T1 with different amps/DACs and am wondering if I should keep it and try more options or not.

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