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post #1996 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

Yeah, I just don't always hear that tube sound in my gear. I love tube gear because they give out a bigger voltage swing which is needed for high impedance headphones. Now granted some tubes do have a much warmer sound, such as the RCA 6AS7, it's just not that pronounced to my ears. My views have changed on tubes and they jsut don't color the sound as much as people claim. Now some tubes do have such an effect such as my Bugle Boys and my Sylvania 6080. Both of those are warm sounding with softer treble.

 

Also I think you'll like the V200 a lot. It surely has a more lush sound with the smooth treble, just likes what tubes have.
 


 


I just popped in some Bugle Boy 6DJ8 in my CSP2 as power tubes with a Phillips 7Dj8 mini watt so the sound is a different pace but I am enjoying the bugle boys the pair I bought the screen on the tubes is 100 percent new so its cool using 1965 tubes and changing the sound up. One thing I will be interested in is hearing the V200 but in my experience a SS amp is solid state and tube amps are tube amps. I have heard some warmer solid state amps using mosfetts in the past but it was never tube sounding IMO. I will give it a whirl and look forward to the V200.

 

post #1997 of 10479


 

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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

i really miss my T1 combo, can't wait to get the T1 back from beyerdynamic.

 

i'm also strongly considering selling my mid-fi headphones and buying hd 800s or upgrading to a WA5-LE, perhaps even a used one with parts upgrade.


 

Sell your mid fi headphones , you like them all yeah ,  but if they are only used few times in a month and taking dust better selling them for upgrading or go for HD800 , i really tought with all yours cans that your T1 would not miss you so much , was wrong biggrin.gif .

 

K702 , DT-880 gone for me and no way to go back at all with T1 . 


Edited by HaVoC-28 - 1/30/12 at 4:58pm
post #1998 of 10479
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Originally Posted by HaVoC-28 View Post


 


 

Sell your mid fi headphones , you like them all yeah ,  but if they are only used few times in a month and taking dust better selling them for upgrading or go for HD800 , i really tought with all yours cans that your T1 would not miss you so much , was wrong biggrin.gif .

 

K702 , DT-880 gone for me and no way to go back at all with T1 . 


This + 1.

I'm already seriously considering selling my W1000x for funds for tubes and DAC, the T1s are just that good (well all T1 owners know this biggrin.gif ) especially now I have the WA2 which seems to give me exactly what I want without the more exaggerated V-shape FR of W1000x, the W1000x is not really going to do anything except look pretty with the wood finish.  

 

post #1999 of 10479

Thanks Olias, I sure hope the T1 sound good with the MAd (For now)

 

Here'are my tube list: Mostly lower gain 5751.

  • 5751 GE black plates triple mica 5 Stars
  • 5751 Raytheon Windmill Getter
  • 5751  RCA Black Plates "Command Series" 1960's (double mica)
  • 12AX7 TELEFUNKEN RIBBED PLATES NOS
  • 12AX7WB Sovtek

 

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Originally Posted by Olias of Sunhillow View Post


I've driven my T1s (well, now YOUR T1s... beerchug.gif) with both a Mapletree Ear+ HD and a Mapletree Super II. I felt the Super II was just about right, while the Ear+ HD was occasionally a bit too soft and lacking in detail. Not that it was a bad combination, mind you, but that it sometimes made the T1s sound un-T1-like.

 

I think you'll have great success driving them directly from your DACmini, and the Purist HD should be no slouch either. What tubes are you using?

 



 

post #2000 of 10479

i might keep the rs1, but the hd 650, k701, pro 900, sr325, and maybe dt 990 are gonna end up being sold once i'm fully decided on the hd 800.

 

out of that list. the k701 and sr325 for sure will be sold. but i have to get rid of other headphones to buy hd 800.

 

so in the end i'll have LCD-2, T1, HD 800 and maybe some other pair of headphone, i just don't want to get rid of a bass heavy pair. i'm even considering selling the d2000/hd650/pro 900 and buying d7000 (i have LCD-2 which are better, but d7000 is bassier isn't it?)

 

 

and i don't think the rs1 will be sold, the t1 isn't as good as it is for rock music (especially metal since badly recorded metal is unbearable on it due to their revealing nature)

post #2001 of 10479

I'm addicted to the T1's at present. Was going to write out a super long and comprehensive comparison with the LCD-2's but I'll save for another time and when I have the HD800's to directly A/B too. Suffice to say, I've A/B'd these two cans a trillion times now just to ensure I'm sure of the differences before posting about them. Spent an entire week with the LCD-2's alone last week, just to make sure I had time to climatise to them before comparing, now I'm back to being able to use both, the vast majority of the time I'm reaching for the T1's.

 

On a side note, whilst I usually really dislike using EQ's with my cans, Amarra's "Bass Boost" EQ actually sounds really good with the T1's. Extra sub bass but very little loss of detail or harmonics. You guys should check it out if you ever want to use the T1's with a teeny bit of extra oomph. Personally, I can only see myself ever using it for one or two genre's, but it isn't really necessary.

 

If you can't afford Amarra just download and install a trial version direct from their website.

 

EDIT: Using mini to optical from Mac to the X-DAC to your prefered amp adds a good amount of sub bass and musicality rendering any EQ'ing of additional bass over zealous. Only use the bass boost for more detailed or less sub bass emphasised connections, such as the X-DAC from USB instead of Optical.


Edited by Naim.F.C - 2/4/12 at 1:50am
post #2002 of 10479

My T1 ear pads are very worn out, but i can't find somebody selling replacement pads in Europe.

 

I'm thinking to buy some DT880 pads and use these with the T1. I had a DT880 some time ago and tried to swap the pads. I didn't notice differences.

 

Anybody knows if the DT880 pads are exactly the same of the T1 pads, with the exception of the color?

 

And do you know if there is a way to replace the headband also?

 

Thanks

post #2003 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post

i might keep the rs1, but the hd 650, k701, pro 900, sr325, and maybe dt 990 are gonna end up being sold once i'm fully decided on the hd 800.

 

out of that list. the k701 and sr325 for sure will be sold. but i have to get rid of other headphones to buy hd 800.

 

so in the end i'll have LCD-2, T1, HD 800 and maybe some other pair of headphone, i just don't want to get rid of a bass heavy pair. i'm even considering selling the d2000/hd650/pro 900 and buying d7000 (i have LCD-2 which are better, but d7000 is bassier isn't it?)

 

 

and i don't think the rs1 will be sold, the t1 isn't as good as it is for rock music (especially metal since badly recorded metal is unbearable on it due to their revealing nature)



 

For me Metal , and specially raw black metal and stuffs like that, don't have to sound smooth or innofensive to hear , it MUST be very harsh , sharp as a razor blade cold etc etc .Peraphs unbereable for some , but it's a selective music not made for every one IMO .

 

 

"Black Metal ist Krieg !" very_evil_smiley.gif


 

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Originally Posted by archigius View Post

My T1 ear pads are very worn out, but i can't find somebody selling replacement pads in Europe.

 

I'm thinking to buy some DT880 pads and use these with the T1. I had a DT880 some time ago and tried to swap the pads. I didn't notice differences.

 

Anybody knows if the DT880 pads are exactly the same of the T1 pads, with the exception of the color?

 

And do you know if there is a way to replace the headband also?

 

Thanks



Just send a mail to beyer for new pads  , they have great customer support ^^

 

 DT-880 and T1 pads are not the same ...


Edited by HaVoC-28 - 1/31/12 at 11:55am
post #2004 of 10479
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Originally Posted by HaVoC-28 View Post

Just send a mail to beyer for new pads  , they have great customer support ^^

 

 DT-880 and T1 pads are not the same ...



I checked the Beyer site and actually the T1 usese the EDT 990 pads, which are the same than DT880/990 series:

 

http://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/shop/media//datenblaetter/T1_DB_E_A2.pdf

 

I can't find any headband padding replacement insted.


Edited by archigius - 1/31/12 at 1:24pm
post #2005 of 10479


 

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Originally Posted by archigius View Post



I checked the Beyer site and actually the T1 usese the EDT 990 pads, which are the same than DT880/990 series:

 

http://north-america.beyerdynamic.com/shop/media//datenblaetter/T1_DB_E_A2.pdf

 

I can't find any headband replacement insted.



At touch , DT-880 grey pads and T1 didn't seamed the same for me not the same velour ,  but peraphs i am wrong . Best thing is just ask beyer your needs .

post #2006 of 10479

Twinster, that's a pretty good list of tubes for your amp. I had two more moderately priced tubes that I really liked in my Mapletree: Sylvania 5751 triple mica black plates (silky smooth but with great balance) and RCA 7025 (claimed to have the gain of a 12AX7 but the tone of a 5751). Ultimately, though, I think you've got more than enough to go on right now.

 

Oh, and your T1s shipped today.  beerchug.gif

post #2007 of 10479

Thanks Olias.

 

I have tried to buy the Sylvania TMP 5751 but they were always to expensive. I read good things about the RCA 7025 but never needed the additional gain before.

 

Do you think the MAD is not powerful enough or it's a matter of synergy with the  T1?  I read that the WA2 is pretty lush and warm not at all like the WA6 who is know to be SS alike.

 

Anybody else with MAD experience in this thread?  I remember other member reporting good result.
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Olias of Sunhillow View Post

Twinster, that's a pretty good list of tubes for your amp. I had two more moderately priced tubes that I really liked in my Mapletree: Sylvania 5751 triple mica black plates (silky smooth but with great balance) and RCA 7025 (claimed to have the gain of a 12AX7 but the tone of a 5751). Ultimately, though, I think you've got more than enough to go on right now.

 

Oh, and your T1s shipped today.  beerchug.gif



 

 

post #2008 of 10479

First of all, let me just add that on the whole, I actually think the audible impacts of DAC's are generally less obvious than that of better headphones and amps, at least in my personal experience. Often DAC variances are subtle, further up the chain, almost un-noticeable, and whilst they can add a lot of value to an overall system, I think those expecting mind boggling differences may be left wanting. With that said...

 

Seriously, the Rein Audio X-DAC has been quite revelatory for my T1's, and to a different degree, with the LCD-2's as well. Only using it with the O2 still, for now anyway (customs has my V200 and I have no idea what they're doing with it lol).

 

USB

 

Via USB straight from the Macbook Pro, it's more detailed than I've ever heard it, more clean, more intricate. Feels like you can hear every last tap, scratch and possible audible sound. But as a downside, it still has a touch of sibilance on certain tracks due to the slight sharpness. But unlike other DAC's I've tried, this detail doesn't necessarily resort to dryness, since the vocals and details are still quite sweet and ultimately, realistic sounding. Comparing from memory with older equipment, the NuForce HDP was a bit more shrill, bright, thinner and less neutral.

For a hyper revealing, but still overall neutral, airy but full sound, USB from X-DAC is great. Suits the T1's already very spacious, three dimensional and intricacy revealing abilities, but is an even better match with the LCD-2's. With the latter, it removes just a touch of haze and opens them up slightly, so some of that darkness is instead met with more clarity, definition and punch. In-fact, my LCD-2's have never sounded better.

 

Optical

 

Where the X-DAC gets really interesting with the T1's however, is with SPDIF, here the DAC pairs a bit better with the T1's than with the LCD-2's.

 

Using the Macbook Pro for Mini to Toslink straight to the DAC, I was quite surprised by the sound on offer. Whilst not a night and day difference, it's still one that's quite noticeable compared to USB. I was expecting no difference at all, so what I got was more than welcome. Immediately the offering is a tiny bit more natural and analogue like in tone. The micro details are all still there, but just a tad harder to make out than with USB, mainly because now it's all a bit smoother sounding on the highs, with a good degree more low end oomph. The sub bass, one of the few critiques I have of the T1, gets a hefty lift in emphasis and suddenly demands attention, or is at least slightly more forward balanced with the rest of the frequencies. Mids are also a touch more forward, but still further back compared to the HD800 and LCD-2 (which I actually usually prefer as I love hearing or picking out instrumentals over glaring vocals).

 

Overall, with Optical, the sound from the X-DAC is more Hi-Fi like and musical. The negatives are that it is harder to pick out macro details (though they're still there), and the soundstage becomes a tad more intimate, but you gain fullness, musicality and most important, what many T1 owners lust after, extended sub bass. Connected via Optical the sound is a bit more natural and warm. But only slightly, on the whole it's still neutral sounding, but closer to the analogue style end of neutral. That is, softer and slightly less aggressive up top, in favour of some attention elsewhere, especially down low. The differences aren't huge, but they are in my opinion noticeable. 

 

It's a really addictive and fun match up for the T1's. Connected via Optical, they actually sound closer to the LCD-2's. Sub bass now almost being on par, but the overall presentation still with a bit more space and three dimensionality compared to the LCD-2's. I still think vocals and details sound ever so slightly cleaner via USB. Vocals have a tiny bit more thickness via Optical, but still not as thick as with the LCD-2's. LCD-2's still remain darker and more intimate, but overall this bridges the T1 somewhere in-between it's typical sonic presentation and the Orthos. 

 

 

 

Anyway, just reporting my findings. Now I just want customs to hurry up and release my V200 already!


Edited by Naim.F.C - 2/2/12 at 9:30pm
post #2009 of 10479
Thread Starter 

Customs is holding your V200 still? Damn man.

 

Also I have both a K400 and K501 on hand now and I find the K501 to compare nicely to the T1. They have a similar tone and presentation. Of course the T1 is many time better but the K501 has some magic in the midrange that I like. It's a warm headphone and is smoother than the K400. It also has more bass than the K400, but not more than the T1. This headphone is good for many genre's, mainly metal and acoustic.

 

The K400 doesn't sound the same at all. It's a warm headphone, warmer than the K501. The mids are more forward and so is the treble. The treble isn't harsh but quite smooth. The K400 is a warmer, brighter, and slightly less refined sounding K501. Also it's really good for rock and metal! It specializes in acoustic music though. Those mids make acoustic guitars sound so good.

post #2010 of 10479

missing my T1s dearly, hopefully they come sometime tomorrow or early next week.

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