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post #1786 of 10477
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Originally Posted by TheDuke990 View Post

I made some "strange" experiences during my battle.

Most of the people said, that the sound signature of the T1 is darker compared to HD800 but for me it is the other way round. My T1 (SN 64xx) has a cooler sound signature than my HD800 (SN 14xxx). Maybe due to the changed setup for the newer HD800 models. Did someone from you make similar experiences ?


How is the sibilance on the HD800? If the HeadRoom chart is anywhere close to accurate the HD800 would probably be a little more pronounced for most sibilance but for certain voices the higher treble peak on the T1 will stick out a lot as well.

post #1787 of 10477
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Originally Posted by ZenErik View Post


How is the sibilance on the HD800? If the HeadRoom chart is anywhere close to accurate the HD800 would probably be a little more pronounced for most sibilance but for certain voices the higher treble peak on the T1 will stick out a lot as well.



The energy of the HD 800 is evenly distributed and not to the point of sibilance, in my experience.  It doesn't have any sharp peaks like the T1 does at around 10 kHz.  

 

Also, graphs don't tell all.  According to the graphs, the HD 800 should have pretty recessed mids but that's not what I'm hearing.  Honestly, everything is much clearer and more realistic.

 

Like TheDuke990, I don't find my HD 800 (SN 58xx) brighter than the T1s (SN 5210) that I had.  The treble is a tiny bit more pronounced but the bass is ample in quantity and the mids are smooth and life-like.  


Edited by Saintly - 12/29/11 at 11:11am
post #1788 of 10477
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Originally Posted by Saintly View Post

 

Also, graphs don't tell all.  According to the graphs, the HD 800 should have pretty recessed mids but that's not what I'm hearing.  Honestly, everything is much clearer and more realistic.



Strange. For me the T1 is clearer and the instruments sounds more realistic. Maybe it is related to the bigger stage of the HD800. The sound will be "combined/collected" from different places (big room) and maybe that's why the T1 sounds for me clearer because the sound is flat (small room). But nevertheless I can hear the same details with the HD800 but in a different way.

And after the 2nd day of testing I'm not able to decide which one I prefer. Song A -> for sure the HD800 is better. Song B -> now the T1 rocks.

Perhaps I have to send back both and try another one like LCD-2 but I got the T1 really cheap directly from Beyer and I get angry about me when the testsession is finished and afterwards my decision is that the T1 will fit my requirements best.

post #1789 of 10477
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Originally Posted by TheDuke990 View Post



Strange. For me the T1 is clearer and the instruments sounds more realistic. Maybe it is related to the bigger stage of the HD800. The sound will be "combined/collected" from different places (big room) and maybe that's why the T1 sounds for me clearer because the sound is flat (small room). But nevertheless I can hear the same details with the HD800 but in a different way.

And after the 2nd day of testing I'm not able to decide which one I prefer. Song A -> for sure the HD800 is better. Song B -> now the T1 rocks.

Perhaps I have to send back both and try another one like LCD-2 but I got the T1 really cheap directly from Beyer and I get angry about me when the testsession is finished and afterwards my decision is that the T1 will fit my requirements best.


The T1s sound clearer to you?  It may be just because they have a more upfront presentation where the instruments seem more directly in front of you.  

 

For complex orchestral recordings, the T1s aren't able to present the level of instrument separation and layering of the HD 800s and sometimes seem congested in comparison.

 

If you haven't already, try some complex passages like "Dorset Perception" by Shpongle and some good recordings of instruments, particularly piano.  Listen to the piano intro to "Better in Time" by Leona Lewis on the HD 800s and T1s and you'll see what I mean about the difference in realism and tonality.

 

 

 


Edited by Saintly - 12/29/11 at 11:49am
post #1790 of 10477

Hmmm. Perhaps I should try the HD800 instead. We'll see. I do really enjoy the T1 though. I made a nice parametric EQ for foobar that I'll use on recordings containing sibilant vocals. Will try it out when I get home from work.

post #1791 of 10477
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Originally Posted by ZenErik View Post

Hmmm. Perhaps I should try the HD800 instead. We'll see. I do really enjoy the T1 though. I made a nice parametric EQ for foobar that I'll use on recordings containing sibilant vocals. Will try it out when I get home from work.



I don't mean to take anything away from the T1s.  I absolutely loved them and could not find any faults with them.  I'd be perfectly content to keep them as my only pair of headphones but just had to try the HD 800s for their touted superiority in clarity and 3-dimensionality.  I personally was not disappointed upon switching over but that doesn't mean you'll have the same experience; there are some people who prefer the T1s, after all.

post #1792 of 10477
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Originally Posted by Saintly View Post



I don't mean to take anything away from the T1s.  I absolutely loved them and could not find any faults with them.  I'd be perfectly content to keep them as my only pair of headphones but just had to try the HD 800s for their touted superiority in clarity and 3-dimensionality.  I personally was not disappointed upon switching over but that doesn't mean you'll have the same experience; there are some people who prefer the T1s, after all.



Thanks for your take on the two headphones. The T1 is great, and I think I've done enough blind buying already between the HD650, Q701, DT990/600, and now T1. If I am to purchase the HD800 I'll probably have to try a pair before buying. No more blind buys for a while. Still, it is a very intriguing headphone.


Edited by ZenErik - 12/29/11 at 2:14pm
post #1793 of 10477

Did anyone buy Adele's latest concert on BD? The vocals are spectacular.

post #1794 of 10477

i got the cd, not the bd.

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Been listening to a wider selection of artists tonight. So far mainly the two vocalists I had issues with last night remain issues today. And lesser issues with a some other female singers. All the male vocals I've tried do just fine. And some a lot of female vocals do just fine too. Just seems certain female singers (probably combined with poor recording techniques) trigger sibilance like crazy at the 9KHz peak. They just happen to be some of my favorites. So, I was able to make an EQ with a 6dB dip at 9k using EasyQ. It does not cure but greatly reduces the issue.

 

All is mostly well. :D


Edited by ZenErik - 12/29/11 at 5:48pm
post #1796 of 10477
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Originally Posted by ZenErik View Post

The T1 ruined music for me, haha. (Not really)

 

Before when I listened to the Q701 and Etymotic MC2 I almost never heard sibilance. Now I hear it constantly! It sticks out like a sore thumb at every instance. Ah, the pitfalls of hi fi audio gear.



Since pairing with tube amps I've never again noticed sibilance with my T1's (4902). Did early on before burn in though. A lot in-fact. Having said that, I listen at fairly low volumes, so perhaps it's something that's more excessive the louder you go.

post #1797 of 10477

Got my new Beyerdynamic T1 today . # 6037

Using my laptop-  HQ USB Cable to  Musical Fidelity's  V-DAC II  *RCA male-male adapter*)  M1 HPA AMP.

No use waste money on RCA cables.

I heard that T1 needs about 300-400 hours playing time to become optimal.

I have no problem with the size of the earcup (Have big ears) ,headband is pressuring slightly but

it is no problem ,330 gram is 330gram.

So far they defenitely sounds great let's see how much they improve.

Bach cantatas just sounds amazing,huge improvement from DT770.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #1798 of 10477

This place is a curse. A friend got his the week before and I got mine the day after tomorrow. Will be driving it with the Keces DA-151 Mk3 to Keces HA-171...

post #1799 of 10477

Wow I am so close to pulling the trigger on the Woo Audio 2s. Now that a dealer within driving distance has it in stock its too good to resist.

post #1800 of 10477
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Originally Posted by leng jai View Post

Wow I am so close to pulling the trigger on the Woo Audio 2s. Now that a dealer within driving distance has it in stock its too good to resist.



Enjoy. Very curious as to your impression on the WA2 vs the Burson. :)

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