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post #1726 of 10478
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Originally Posted by TheDuke990 View Post


Hmmm but I made the same experience twice.

Ones with a T1 & A1 combo (lent) and now with my own T1 (a newer serial number). The bass is definitely there. Faster and more precise but for me not with the same impact and quantity.

 



Aside from what's already been said of amps and sources, I'll also add that the condition of the earpads makes a very audible difference. Presumably, your DT880 have well worn-in and more compressed pads than the brand new T1s. IME, the former increases bass/mids and decreases treble.

post #1727 of 10478
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Aside from what's already been said of amps and sources, I'll also add that the condition of the earpads makes a very audible difference. Presumably, your DT880 have well worn-in and more compressed pads than the brand new T1s. IME, the former increases bass/mids and decreases treble.


 

Yes this could be but I made my first experience with a worn and burned in T1/A1 combo. It was a combo from a Beyerdynamic test scenario with 25 participants and I was one of the end. Everybody got the chance to listen one week to this combo. It means I did not got a new T1. I got a worn one.

 

Unfortunately it seems to be impossible to give my headphones to another headphone "nerd" to approve or disprove my bass experiences.

post #1728 of 10478
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Originally Posted by TheDuke990 View Post


Yes this could be but I made my first experience with a worn and burned in T1/A1 combo. It was a combo from a Beyerdynamic test scenario with 25 participants and I was one of the end. Everybody got the chance to listen one week to this combo. It means I did not got a new T1. I got a worn one.

 

Unfortunately it seems to be impossible to give my headphones to another headphone "nerd" to approve or disprove my bass experiences.



First you should maybe try and listen to what people are saying. Most people here will tell you that T1s match best with OTL tube amps and you say you are not going to buy one. You are still saying they do not have the bass you are looking for. How can you know that if you have never listened to them in the best possible setup? I am no expert, but you seem a bit ignorant and just deny whatever people will tell you, because your rule tells you not to buy an amp more expensive than the cans themselves.

 

post #1729 of 10478
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Originally Posted by Szadzik View Post



First you should maybe try and listen to what people are saying. Most people here will tell you that T1s match best with OTL tube amps and you say you are not going to buy one. You are still saying they do not have the bass you are looking for. How can you know that if you have never listened to them in the best possible setup? I am no expert, but you seem a bit ignorant and just deny whatever people will tell you, because your rule tells you not to buy an amp more expensive than the cans themselves.

 


Sorry but this is nonsens. Do you really read my posts ? A lot of people tells me, that the T1/A1 combo is a perfect match and I already listened to this line up and I heard no difference between A1 and my Fun. So I think it is not really amp related.

 

For me the last gear of the line up has the most impact of the quality (sure the input (music quality) must be very good as well)

For example. If you have 5000€ to spend in new hifi equipment, the better way is to spend more money for the speaker as for an amp and not the other way round. The same for cable. A 300€ headphone with 1000€ cable will never have the same sound quality as an 1300€ headphone.

Sorry but I don't believe that much in cable or amp sounds.

 

post #1730 of 10478
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Originally Posted by TheDuke990 View Post




Sorry but this is nonsens. Do you really read my posts ? A lot of people tells me, that the T1/A1 combo is a perfect match and I already listened to this line up and I heard no difference between A1 and my Fun. So I think it is not really amp related.

 

For me the last gear of the line up has the most impact of the quality (sure the input (music quality) must be very good as well)

For example. If you have 5000€ to spend in new hifi equipment, the better way is to spend more money for the speaker as for an amp and not the other way round. The same for cable. A 300€ headphone with 1000€ cable will never have the same sound quality as an 1300€ headphone.

Sorry but I don't believe that much in cable or amp sounds.

 



 

 

These headphones are $1299 new and WA2 is $1295, I do not know where your figures came from. If you bought used T1s, buy used WA2.

 

No one here says A1 is the perfect match for T1, not one person who tried them with a good OTL amp.

post #1731 of 10478

I feel it is totally wrong to have the idea that ONLY an OTL amp can properly drive the T1's.

My Woo6se is not OLT but does a superb job with plenty of bass btw. My ROC does very well also and my T1's are not even balanced.

 

A good OTL amp should do very well with the T1's but its not the only choice or absolutely the best choice no matter what!

post #1732 of 10478
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

I feel it is totally wrong to have the idea that ONLY an OTL amp can properly drive the T1's.

My Woo6se is not OLT but does a superb job with plenty of bass btw. My ROC does very well also and my T1's are not even balanced.

 

A good OTL amp should do very well with the T1's but its not the only choice or absolutely the best choice no matter what!



 

We are not talking about the abilty to drive here. We are talking about synergy.

post #1733 of 10478
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

I feel it is totally wrong to have the idea that ONLY an OTL amp can properly drive the T1's.

My Woo6se is not OLT but does a superb job with plenty of bass btw. My ROC does very well also and my T1's are not even balanced.

 

A good OTL amp should do very well with the T1's but its not the only choice or absolutely the best choice no matter what!


Nigel you are correct. Mt taboo does a nice job with the T1 but I seem to always use the CSP2 SET as the T1 IMO is more synergy and I also heard the T1 on the Woo 6SE many times and I still preferred the CSP2 but transformer based amps will drive them also and also let you drive a low impedance can.

 

post #1734 of 10478
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Originally Posted by Szadzik View Post



 

We are not talking about the abilty to drive here. We are talking about synergy.



Yes the wrong choice of word used but I was referring to synergy not ability to drive (as in power).

 

Plus I always feel that when using any TOTL headphone with a decent amp then many problems, like lack of bass for example, are the result of inadequate sourcing or poor synergy.

As my amps absolutely give me no lack of bass,detail or dynamics then they have good synergy yet neither are OTL. Which comfirms my point that OTL amps are not the only solution.

post #1735 of 10478

I cannot deny that some amps may have better synergy effects with a headphone then other amps but I cannot believe that the different is that much -> bass or no bass.

I think it is only the adjustment of T1 and 880 which is totally different. 880 a little bit veiled and the T1 is absolutely clear.

Please don't get me wrong. Maybe I mix-up the bass of the T1 with the muffled sound of the 880 and I only think/feel that the 880 has more bass.

post #1736 of 10478
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post



Yes the wrong choice of word used but I was referring to synergy not ability to drive (as in power).

 

Plus I always feel that when using any TOTL headphone with a decent amp then many problems, like lack of bass for example, are the result of inadequate sourcing or poor synergy.

As my amps absolutely give me no lack of bass,detail or dynamics then they have good synergy yet neither are OTL. Which comfirms my point that OTL amps are not the only solution.


I can honestly say there is no lack of bass on my OTL. Many have heard it and all agree it was great synergy with outstanding bass. But you point is that it can be driven with SS amps or transformer based amps and as always everyone will have their preference when it comes to what sounds best to them. I used the Meir concerto and the Matrix and PC GCC amp and all worked as well as my two decware and all sounded good but best for me is the CSP2 but I do switch off ocassionally and use my Taboo with the CSP2 as my preamp.

 

post #1737 of 10478
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post


I can honestly say there is no lack of bass on my OTL. Many have heard it and all agree it was great synergy with outstanding bass. But you point is that it can be driven with SS amps or transformer based amps and as always everyone will have their preference when it comes to what sounds best to them. I used the Meir concerto and the Matrix and PC GCC amp and all worked as well as my two decware and all sounded good but best for me is the CSP2 but I do switch off ocassionally and use my Taboo with the CSP2 as my preamp.

 



I would not expect any lack of bass with the T1's with any good source/amp. The CSP2 is obviously a good amp that works well with the T1's.

post #1738 of 10478

 

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Originally Posted by TheDuke990 View Post

Sorry but I don't believe in a big improvements by a 1000€ amp. The differences are really small so I think it is not the amp. For example I already compared the A1 with my Fun (both with a T1) and I did not hear any difference.


 

Well, one would exect that any properly built SS amp sounds about the same, given that it can provide enough power to drive certain headphones. Reality is, from my experience, rather different. Expensive amps do not necessarily sound better than cheap ones - but even when comparing amps in a similar price class, there are clearly audible differences - unlike cable voodoo.

 

So far, I have tried the T1 with three different amps: The audio-gd Roc SA, the WA6, and the Meier Concerto. I thought that only the Concerto was a good match. The Roc SA was too dark and "grainy". The WA6 had a nice tonality but lacked resolution. The Concerto, on the other hand, does not "sound" at all, it simply drives the T1 (and any other headphone I've tried so far as well) without any noticeable flaws. To my ears, that is.

 

 

Back to your original question: From my experience, perception of a certain headphone's sound can change over time. For example, when I bought the Audeze LCD-2, I thought it was the perfect headphone. But over time, I started to dislike its thick, sirupy presentation more and more. With the T1 it was the other way around. At first I thought it sounded a bit lifeless and uninvolving. Now, about a year later, this has changed completely - I can't really think of a more engaging headphone.

I don't really belive in the ominous "burn-in", which is what some people will say is happening here. More likely, burn-in happens between your ears as you get used to a certain headphone's sound.

 

In your case you may be experiencing something similar. You are used to your DT880 and perceive the T1 as bass-light. Perhaps this changes over time as you get used to the T1.

 

But in the end, if you're not happy with what you're hearing, the only solution is to get something different. Just take your time - To me, the best things in life are the ones that don't "wow" you immediately. Applies to headphones and to a lot of other things...


Edited by Mad Dude - 12/23/11 at 8:02am
post #1739 of 10478

OT maybe

 

 

 

But I am hearing vinyl with the T1 and it is just wonderful... Ahhh Sonett Amp..

post #1740 of 10478

got my WA2. its just waiting to find its soul mate <3

 

 

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