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Originally Posted by ZenErik View Post



Thank you. What have you found to be the best pairing for the T1? I am looking to pick up the T1 next month after the holiday season. :)

 

Does anyone have any comparisons of the T1 to the DT990/600? I owned a pair for two days and am already sending them back. The smile curve really killed the guitar tone (very very thin) on the DT990 and brought out some awkwardly prominent sloshy hihats on certain recordings. Along with some way over the top crash cymbal sounds. The usual "s" and "t" sounds were an issue as well. None of these are an issue on the Q701.

My favorite is thew Decware CSP2 for my T1. I have not wanted any more amps for it. the synergy is IMO second to none.

post #1667 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Szadzik View Post



 



People seem to agree that OTL amps great with T1s, especially WA2. Having had that combo for a few months I would strongly agree with those who say that.

P.S. Remember, that pairing headphones with the wrong amp will cause sibiliance/ effects you described too.

Thanks for that. I used to have a WA6 and unfortunately sold it a few years back. I will certainly consider the WA2 going forward. The M-Stage is a great value, but I know the T1 may require something a little different to come close to their potential.

And about the amp with the DT990, this is true. I doubt either the FiiO E10 or M-Stage are ideal pairings. An amp that tones down the highs a bit could make a world of difference. But I still imagine I would prefer the Q701. The larger sound stage really suits my tastes and the only thing I miss about the DT990 is that stronger bass sound for EDM.
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Originally Posted by ZenErik View Post
[…] But I still imagine I would prefer the Q701.[…]

 

Well, then I strongly recommend to first try out how the Q 701 fits and feels on your head. The earpads are large, soft and really very comfortable, but the problematic leather headband might be a source of constant anger and pain. Really don’t want to ensult people, but the person who designed this headband must be a complete fool. And of course this is a matter of personal taste, but I wouldn’t want to see a headphone in my home with a lime colored cable or other elements of this color.

 

The DT 990/600 Ω feel very comfortable on the head and render the music in a more pleasing and enjoyable way. At least for my brain, the AKG x70x sound sterile, plastic-like, weak and cold in comparison to the top models from Beyerdynamic.

 

Werner.


Edited by wberghofer - 12/18/11 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post

My favorite is thew Decware CSP2 for my T1. I have not wanted any more amps for it. the synergy is IMO second to none.


That looks fantastic! Is there any reason to get the regular CSP2 over the current CSP2+? I really love the black figured base on the current model. Out of curiousity, what other amps have you compared it to? Thanks.

 



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Originally Posted by wberghofer View Post

 

Well, then I strongly recommend to first try out how the Q 701 fits and feels on your head. The earpads are large, soft and really very comfortable, but the problematic leather headband might be a source of constant anger and pain. Really don’t want to ensult people, but the person who designed this headband must be a complete fool. And of course this is a matter of personal taste, but I wouldn’t want to see a headphone in my home with a lime colored cable or other elements of this color.

 

The DT 990/600 Ω feel very comfortable on the head and render the music in a more pleasing and enjoyable way. At least for my brain, the AKG x70x sound sterile, plastic-like, weak and cold in comparison to the top models from Beyerdynamic.

 

Werner.


I already own the Q701. There's no doubt that the headband on the Q701 is an issue. The DT990 was faaaar more comfortable. Luckily my head seems to have adjusted fairly quickly and the bumps no longer bother me. I can wear them for several hours without issue. I also dislike the green cable, but it's not a deal breaker. I can always buy a replacement if it bothers me enough.

 

To my ears the Q701 is much more enjoyable. I like the wider soundstage... Although it has its' issues too. The Q701s seem to have very little depth so for certain music the Q701 sounds unnaturally wide. The DT990 was a little too closed in for my tastes but at least had some depth. There's no doubt that the Q701 is very far from perfect, but my ears still liked it better.

 

If I were to try another Beyerdynamic model in that price range I would opt for the DT880/600 instead. Would probably be more suited to my ears. I would buy a pair now if I weren't aiming straight for the T1.

 

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he newer CSP2 has a voltage control that makes it easier to dial into your headphone and source. I think you would need to find a used one for the model I have. I compared this to the Woo 6 and 6 SE and much preferred this one and my gripe with Woo is that most tubes they use are not current production. I like the idea that all the CSP2 tubes are current production and easy also to find lots of NOS from very reputable dealers if you want to go that route. i will get t hear a WA2 but I like the way the Decware works and for me its permanent and the warranty is lifetime. I have also heard the Leben with the T1.

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The weight of the Ortho's don't give me a problem but granted, I always notice they're on my head.  Now the T1's, although noticeably lesser in sound quality, I am able to forget I'm wearing headphones.  That's a big plus for me.

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Originally Posted by Uchiya View Post

The weight of the Ortho's don't give me a problem but granted, I always notice they're on my head.  Now the T1's, although noticeably lesser in sound quality, I am able to forget I'm wearing headphones.  That's a big plus for me.



I have gotten use to the He500 weight but the t1 is more comfortable and as i stated when i reviewed the HE500 the T1 is better technically has more detail and better imaging and focus than the 500 but I like both and decided the HE500 is here for good also. The t1 is not leaving either I appreciate it too much for what it does well. I used them for the last two days and back to my HE500 today.

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I think it's time I joined the club as well. Actually I 've had the T1 for almost a year now, but it took a long time to realize what an excellent phone the T1 really is.

 

I've bought other high-end-ish phones as well, including the Hifiman HE-6 and the Audeze LCD-2. The HE-6 wasn't quite for me, but the LCD-2 seemed to be the perfect headphone for a while. I didn't use the T1 much at the time. However, a couple of months ago, I took the T1 out of its box again. And slowly, the LCD-2 was getting less attention, until at some point I realized that I had not taken it out of its shiny wooden box for more than two weeks... So I decided to sell the LCD-2. The T1 stayed.

I have yet to hear a phone that is as versatile as the Beyer - I listen to a lot of different genres of music, but the T1 plays Depeche Mode equally well as it does Chopin's Piano Concertos or Iron Maiden. The T1's speed and accuracy are almost frightening at times, to an extent where it has even replaced my semi-vintage RS1 as my favourite Rock/Metal headphone.

 

Interestingly, although the T1 has a rather prominent treble, I get less fatigue, and less sibilance from the T1 than I do from the HD650 which has somewhat recessed treble.

Wearing comfort wasn't that good at first, but now it seems that the T1 has adapted to my head (or was it the other way around...?) so well that I hardly feel it's there. Only the cable could be a tad lighter.

 

 

Well, that's a lot of praise for one headphone. The T1 may not be perfect, but so far it's the headphone I get the most satisfaction from. I have yet to try the HD800, which is on my list for next year. But then again, I simply don't know what could be improved compared to the T1...

 

 

I'm using the T1 with a Meier StageDAC and Concerto btw. Additionally, I've ordered a CSP2+ from Decware yesterday - really curious to see if the T1 + OTL tube amp pairing is as good as it's said to be, and how it compares to the concerto.

post #1674 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Mad Dude View Post

I think it's time I joined the club as well. Actually I 've had the T1 for almost a year now, but it took a long time to realize what an excellent phone the T1 really is.

 

I've bought other high-end-ish phones as well, including the Hifiman HE-6 and the Audeze LCD-2. The HE-6 wasn't quite for me, but the LCD-2 seemed to be the perfect headphone for a while. I didn't use the T1 much at the time. However, a couple of months ago, I took the T1 out of its box again. And slowly, the LCD-2 was getting less attention, until at some point I realized that I had not taken it out of its shiny wooden box for more than two weeks... So I decided to sell the LCD-2. The T1 stayed.

I have yet to hear a phone that is as versatile as the Beyer - I listen to a lot of different genres of music, but the T1 plays Depeche Mode equally well as it does Chopin's Piano Concertos or Iron Maiden. The T1's speed and accuracy are almost frightening at times, to an extent where it has even replaced my semi-vintage RS1 as my favourite Rock/Metal headphone.

 

Interestingly, although the T1 has a rather prominent treble, I get less fatigue, and less sibilance from the T1 than I do from the HD650 which has somewhat recessed treble.

Wearing comfort wasn't that good at first, but now it seems that the T1 has adapted to my head (or was it the other way around...?) so well that I hardly feel it's there. Only the cable could be a tad lighter.

 

 

Well, that's a lot of praise for one headphone. The T1 may not be perfect, but so far it's the headphone I get the most satisfaction from. I have yet to try the HD800, which is on my list for next year. But then again, I simply don't know what could be improved compared to the T1...

 

 

I'm using the T1 with a Meier StageDAC and Concerto btw. Additionally, I've ordered a CSP2+ from Decware yesterday - really curious to see if the T1 + OTL tube amp pairing is as good as it's said to be, and how it compares to the concerto.



I had the concerto and can tell you IMO the CSP2 stomps it with the T1. You may want to roll some tubes I enjoy the Sylvania 5U4G Big bottles better than those Chinese one Steve been shipping.  I think the T1 and CSP2 is synergy.

post #1675 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post

[...] You may want to roll some tubes I enjoy the Sylvania 5U4G Big bottles better than those Chinese one Steve been shipping.  I think the T1 and CSP2 is synergy.


 

I promised to myself that I will NOT buy lots of expensive tubes this time. I'm going to do it anyway. So thanks for your recommendation :-)

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Im trying to decide which to get first. Decware CSP2+ or T1? biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by ZenErik View Post

Im trying to decide which to get first. Decware CSP2+ or T1? biggrin.gif


Your amp works well with the T1 thats what I bought first the t1 then the CSP2 after that.

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Originally Posted by Mad Dude View Post


 

I promised to myself that I will NOT buy lots of expensive tubes this time. I'm going to do it anyway. So thanks for your recommendation :-)



the 5U4G I bought were 20.00 each on ebay. I also use the genelex 6922 and also have sylvania 6Dj8 but prefer the reissue Genelex and they are not cheap but worth it to me.

post #1679 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Mad Dude View Post

I think it's time I joined the club as well. Actually I 've had the T1 for almost a year now, but it took a long time to realize what an excellent phone the T1 really is.

 

I've bought other high-end-ish phones as well, including the Hifiman HE-6 and the Audeze LCD-2. The HE-6 wasn't quite for me, but the LCD-2 seemed to be the perfect headphone for a while. I didn't use the T1 much at the time. However, a couple of months ago, I took the T1 out of its box again. And slowly, the LCD-2 was getting less attention, until at some point I realized that I had not taken it out of its shiny wooden box for more than two weeks... So I decided to sell the LCD-2. The T1 stayed.

I have yet to hear a phone that is as versatile as the Beyer - I listen to a lot of different genres of music, but the T1 plays Depeche Mode equally well as it does Chopin's Piano Concertos or Iron Maiden. The T1's speed and accuracy are almost frightening at times, to an extent where it has even replaced my semi-vintage RS1 as my favourite Rock/Metal headphone.

 

Interestingly, although the T1 has a rather prominent treble, I get less fatigue, and less sibilance from the T1 than I do from the HD650 which has somewhat recessed treble.

Wearing comfort wasn't that good at first, but now it seems that the T1 has adapted to my head (or was it the other way around...?) so well that I hardly feel it's there. Only the cable could be a tad lighter.

 

 

Well, that's a lot of praise for one headphone. The T1 may not be perfect, but so far it's the headphone I get the most satisfaction from. I have yet to try the HD800, which is on my list for next year. But then again, I simply don't know what could be improved compared to the T1...

 

 

I'm using the T1 with a Meier StageDAC and Concerto btw. Additionally, I've ordered a CSP2+ from Decware yesterday - really curious to see if the T1 + OTL tube amp pairing is as good as it's said to be, and how it compares to the concerto.



Great impressions.iagree.  if you do get to try the hd800, it will wow you in many aspects but in the end, the T1 is still a better all arounder to me. 



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Originally Posted by ZenErik View Post

Im trying to decide which to get first. Decware CSP2+ or T1? biggrin.gif


T1first.asFrank explains below



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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post



Your amp works well with the T1 thats what I bought first the t1 then the CSP2 after that.



 

 

post #1680 of 10479
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Originally Posted by Mad Dude View Post

I think it's time I joined the club as well. Actually I 've had the T1 for almost a year now, but it took a long time to realize what an excellent phone the T1 really is.

 

I've bought other high-end-ish phones as well, including the Hifiman HE-6 and the Audeze LCD-2. The HE-6 wasn't quite for me, but the LCD-2 seemed to be the perfect headphone for a while. I didn't use the T1 much at the time. However, a couple of months ago, I took the T1 out of its box again. And slowly, the LCD-2 was getting less attention, until at some point I realized that I had not taken it out of its shiny wooden box for more than two weeks... So I decided to sell the LCD-2. The T1 stayed.

I have yet to hear a phone that is as versatile as the Beyer - I listen to a lot of different genres of music, but the T1 plays Depeche Mode equally well as it does Chopin's Piano Concertos or Iron Maiden. The T1's speed and accuracy are almost frightening at times, to an extent where it has even replaced my semi-vintage RS1 as my favourite Rock/Metal headphone.

 

Interestingly, although the T1 has a rather prominent treble, I get less fatigue, and less sibilance from the T1 than I do from the HD650 which has somewhat recessed treble.

Wearing comfort wasn't that good at first, but now it seems that the T1 has adapted to my head (or was it the other way around...?) so well that I hardly feel it's there. Only the cable could be a tad lighter.

 

 

Well, that's a lot of praise for one headphone. The T1 may not be perfect, but so far it's the headphone I get the most satisfaction from. I have yet to try the HD800, which is on my list for next year. But then again, I simply don't know what could be improved compared to the T1...

 

 

I'm using the T1 with a Meier StageDAC and Concerto btw. Additionally, I've ordered a CSP2+ from Decware yesterday - really curious to see if the T1 + OTL tube amp pairing is as good as it's said to be, and how it compares to the concerto.


 

hd 650s being fatiguing and sibilant?!  thats a new one lol. never heard of anyone describing hd 650s like that. your system must be very bright.

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