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The Official Beyerdynamic T1 Impressions and Discussion Thread - Page 83post #1231 of 105128/13/11 at 7:59pmI've been away for the weekend and only bought along my W4's and JDS cMoy. Whilst they both sound fantastic, I'm sorely missing my T1's, which have the addictive airy soundstage and detailed instrumental separation of the W4's, only cleaner, more direct, more realistic and fuller. To be honest, the T1's are actually perfectly portable (surprisingly compact and robust). It's the idea of some son of a looter robbing these expensive phones that I don't like!
Gear mentioned in this thread:post #1232 of 105128/13/11 at 8:42pmQuote:Originally Posted by upstateguy
It seems like a few more guys have logged in with the "overly bright" versions....(previously referred to as the "bass light" versions, I think overly bright is a better description since that was the first thing I noticed.)
My first pair were the overly bright versions and my second pair sound great, like Macedonianhero's and possibly Zonbie's...Quote:Originally Posted by draven5494
Ok, this is strange. So, I take a break for a bit and then come back and start listening again. Almost immediately, I was like "where's the harshness?". It's gone. I can't explain it. Now when I switch over to my K702s, they sound brighter and there is nowhere near the amount of detail or separation compared to the T1s.
Maybe my ears needed a break. I don't know. Every time I leave and come back and listen to the T1s they get better. It's very odd... but in a good way.
doh!post #1233 of 105128/13/11 at 11:38pmpost #1234 of 105128/14/11 at 12:55amQuote:
The higher the gain, the less feedback is being applied. While feedback lowers overall distortion, increasing feedback can increase the type of distortion that sounds harsh (high harmonic.) So, it is possible that raising the gain would indeed sound better.Quote:Originally Posted by draven5494
Now, with my current setup I would still call the T1s "bright". However, as stated, my amp may not be completely up to snuff. So, right now I am debating on whether or not to just go with the T1s and build a setup around them down the road or go with a high quality amp now and stick to my K702s.
I am leaning towards the T1 setup now, but more listening time is needed. I am definitely keeping an eye on the Amp FS/FT forums... :P
Additionally, if the output impedance of your amp is too low, it can overdamp the T-1s and make them sound bright. Some headphones (Sennheisers for instance) do best with amps with a near 0 output impedance, but Beyers are not typically in that group. Thus, tube amps that have some amount of output impedance may do better. I use them with an amp with an output impedance around 10 ohms which sounds pretty good to my ear - very warm, full, and lush.post #1235 of 105128/14/11 at 2:50amQuote:Originally Posted by Frank I
One thing I noticed when I first bought my T1 they need about 100 hrs of listening to really appreciate them They are not a wow phone and I still cannot find fault with them. But it took me 100 hrs to realize what they were capable of and they are special headphones IMO.
I have the exact same finding with the T1 and the exact opposite with HD800 (and GS1000). GS1000 and HD800 are WOW-headphones at first listen for most people but in the long run they show areas where I could not help but focusing on them all the time. The T1 was not a WOW-headphone but in the long run they keep doing the job perfectly.
post #1236 of 105128/14/11 at 11:56am
I think I now know why the perceived harshness comes and goes on the T1s for me. It all has to do with positioning. Being angled drivers, the more forward I push them on my head the highs mellow out and the overall presentation becomes fuller. The further back I push them the highs really come out and that harshness returns. There is definitely a sweet spot on these cans when it comes to positioning.post #1237 of 105128/14/11 at 2:09pmQuote:Originally Posted by draven5494
I think I now know why the perceived harshness comes and goes on the T1s for me. It all has to do with positioning. Being angled drivers, the more forward I push them on my head the highs mellow out and the overall presentation becomes fuller. The further back I push them the highs really come out and that harshness returns. There is definitely a sweet spot on these cans when it comes to positioning.
enlightenment. i agree positioning matters. you might have solved the mystery of the infamous bright T1.post #1238 of 105128/14/11 at 2:27pm
The positioning issue was brought up before by Skylab and I think some others. But yeah, I can see these kinds of slight changes, along with ancillary equipment, making a significant difference in the sound of these sensitive and revealing phones. I'll keep experimenting too.post #1239 of 105128/14/11 at 3:01pmQuote:
I believe that is what others might have experienced. Just shifting the headphones slightly forward or backward does change the sound, it is very noticeable.
I remember when I had Ultrasone hfi-780s and Pro 900s I had to do the same thing. That's what made me think of actually moving the headphones. It was definitely one of those "doh" moments.post #1240 of 105128/14/11 at 10:11pmpost #1241 of 105128/14/11 at 10:36pmpost #1242 of 105128/15/11 at 1:49am
Don't really think burn in is much of a factor. To me its more do with the fact that the T1s have an extremely balanced sound signature. They don't immediately impress you with huge bass or a forward presentation. Only after a solid week with them do you really begin to appreciate the tonal balance and how well everything comes together. Its the first piece of audio equipment I've owned where there isn't a glaring deficiency, which in actuality is their biggest strength.post #1243 of 105128/15/11 at 2:00amQuote:Originally Posted by leng jai
Don't really think burn in is much of a factor. To me its more do with the fact that the T1s have an extremely balanced sound signature. They don't immediately impress you with huge bass or a forward presentation. Only after a solid week with them do you really begin to appreciate the tonal balance and how well everything comes together. Its the first piece of audio equipment I've owned where there isn't a glaring deficiency, which in actuality is their biggest strength.
Yep, you really can't say the T1 does anything wrong. It's just that there's magic to be found elsewhere.
post #1244 of 105128/15/11 at 2:08am
So I'm listening to my T1 with the WA6. I can see how people say these aren't WOW headphones, but everything is very effortless and transparent. The biggest difference I noticed is that I think I finally get what people mean by the sound coming from outside, and not inside, of the head that most headphones tends to do. And probably thanks to the heavily angled driver the sense of depth of the overall 3D imaging is definitely much greater than the other 2 headphones I currently have, with a touch of subtle crossfeed using DSP the illusion of being enveloped by sound is a new sensation I'm enjoying very much though.post #1245 of 105128/15/11 at 3:15amQuote:
I don't think it does the T1 justice to say that they just don't do anything wrong. I think they do everything well. Just because no one aspect stands out doesn't mean they aren't proficient at everything. The balanced sound, the neutral presentaion, the non overwhelming but ever present bass, the crisp extendeed highs without sibilance (to my ears), the speed, clarity, transparancy, sound stage; not only don't they do anything wrong, they do a whole lot better than most. Now that is MAGIC.
Edited by Kernmac - 8/15/11 at 3:23am
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