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post #1216 of 10478

I received my T1s yesterday.  I bought them used from Amazon.  The serial # is 3545.  First impressions are that these are quite bright, and that is compared to my K702s!

 

I am listening to these through my Matrix M-stage which is connected to my Auzentech X-fi sound card.  I am listening to mostly FLACs and MP3s(360kbps) through Foobar2000.  

 

Now I am not saying the T1s are sibilant, but some songs can be a little fatiguing.  The highs are definitely extended beyond what my K702s can do.  

 

I am thinking the issue may be my amp.  I am running the T1s through my M-stage with the gain set to 10.  I have yet to test a higher gain setting to see if that makes a difference in the sound.  I am now thinking of picking up a Bottlehead Crack+Speedball to see what that will do with the sound.

 

Even with my initial impressions on the highs, I can tell that the T1s are something special.  The way they present the music just feels so much more natural than my K702s.  The bass is not overwhelming at all, but it is there when the song calls for it.  The soundstage is much more life-like to me compared to my K702s.  It feels more 3-dimensional, sounds come from all directions.  

 

Seeing as how these are used, I have no idea how many hours they have on them.  So, maybe with some burn-in the highs will smooth out a bit.  

post #1217 of 10478

^^^^^^Pretty much my first impressions too (#3829 here). I'll be pairing them with an OTL tube amp to see if it reaches the sound I'm looking for. Except for the somewhat hot top end, everything else is fabulous.

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Originally Posted by draven5494 View Post

I received my T1s yesterday.  I bought them used from Amazon.  The serial # is 3545.  First impressions are that these are quite bright, and that is compared to my K702s!

 

I am listening to these through my Matrix M-stage which is connected to my Auzentech X-fi sound card.  I am listening to mostly FLACs and MP3s(360kbps) through Foobar2000.  

 

Now I am not saying the T1s are sibilant, but some songs can be a little fatiguing.  The highs are definitely extended beyond what my K702s can do.  

 

I am thinking the issue may be my amp.  I am running the T1s through my M-stage with the gain set to 10.  I have yet to test a higher gain setting to see if that makes a difference in the sound.  I am now thinking of picking up a Bottlehead Crack+Speedball to see what that will do with the sound.

 

Even with my initial impressions on the highs, I can tell that the T1s are something special.  The way they present the music just feels so much more natural than my K702s.  The bass is not overwhelming at all, but it is there when the song calls for it.  The soundstage is much more life-like to me compared to my K702s.  It feels more 3-dimensional, sounds come from all directions.  

 

Seeing as how these are used, I have no idea how many hours they have on them.  So, maybe with some burn-in the highs will smooth out a bit.  


It is also very source dependent. I used the Matrix when I first bought them. My CSP-2 is way above but I always used Marantz SACD players no MP3 files. The T1 will reveal any weakness in your system. I can say mine are not bright at all. You need to experiment to get the best sound from the T1.

 

post #1219 of 10478
Thread Starter 

I would agree there. I found my Marantz VC6001 to make the T1 sound fuller and not bright. 

 

I still don't understand how people can say the T1 is brighter than a K702. I find it far less brighter on my set-up. In fact I would say it's incredibly smooth and not even bright, but I did notice brightness on bright tracks (The T1 reveals all!!)

 

Well I do run a tubed DAC (Uses a NOS Amperex 6DJ8) and a tube amp for then as well as my Roc amp. It's a very neutral amp but the WA2 (With Tung-Sol 7236 and 6N1P tubes) sounds very lush and inviting. I love that sound!!
 

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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post

It is also very source dependent. I used the Matrix when I first bought them. My CSP-2 is way above but I always used Marantz SACD players no MP3 files. The T1 will reveal any weakness in your system. I can say mine are not bright at all. You need to experiment to get the best sound from the T1.


Edited by Zombie_X - 8/13/11 at 10:17am
post #1220 of 10478

Has anyone compared say the Woo WA3 against the Bottlehead Crack with the T1s?

post #1221 of 10478

I've been having some incredibly great listening sessions w/my T-1's and the Cavalli Liquid Fire+W4S DAC2.  The latest is Zappa's Apostrophe.  Frank was a master in the studio.  The other night Beatles For Sale/24 bit version.

 

Funny thing.  I put the T-1's up for sale thinking I'd buy the LCDrev2's and the T-1's have seemed to get better and better the past two weeks.  Besides w/all the LC buzz nobody is interested in buying them anyways.  I digress.  The T-1's just sing w/the LF amp!

post #1222 of 10478

Actually had nothing with a 1/4" plug so ran out and bought a Onkyo C-S5VL CDP to hold me out over the weekend..  rolleyes.gif

 

Threw in the Battlestar Galactica S2 soundtrack and listened to Allegro and Prelude to War.  First time with a flagship headphone and coming from an HFI-580 and DT1350, gotta say the sound is different..  good different.  Not sure how much I can attribute with the fact that these are my first pair of open headphones, and how much to the actual build quality and design.  Still new to the audiophile world but think I finally see what people mean by instrument separation and soundstage.  The different string sections in Allegro stood out clearly, and it feels like in a complex piece of instruments I can just pick one and follow it through in my head.  I read the HFI-580 doesn't handle classical well so I didn't even bother to try, and compared to the DT1350 it no longer sounds like I'm stuck in a room with the orchestra.  Sound just seems to come from out there somewhere..?  I hope that's what people mean by soundstage.  And it's always pleasant to be surprised hearing instruments I never realized were there to begin with in a piece..  basshead.gif

 

Now time to find a CD with some vocals or trance and see how it does.  Also bought a copy of Dark Side of the Moon SACD since everyone seems to rave about it here, never heard it before though so that should be another experience.

 

Loving it already.  Schiit Lyr arriving sometime next week.  Schiit Bifrost sometime next month.  Do you guys think I'll hear even more of a difference when those arrive?  Right now I'm running a recabled Black Dragon T1 straight into the headphone jack on the CDP (built in Wolfson DAC).
 

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Originally Posted by leng jai View Post

Plug it into whatever you've got - it'll probably still sound better than anything you've heard before. Then when the rest of your gear comes you can enjoy another upgrade.
 



 



 

post #1223 of 10478
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Originally Posted by draven5494 View Post

I received my T1s yesterday.  I bought them used from Amazon.  The serial # is 3545.  First impressions are that these are quite bright, and that is compared to my K702s!

 

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Originally Posted by Arcamera View Post

^^^^^^Pretty much my first impressions too (#3829 here). I'll be pairing them with an OTL tube amp to see if it reaches the sound I'm looking for. Except for the somewhat hot top end, everything else is fabulous.

 

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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

I would agree there. I found my Marantz VC6001 to make the T1 sound fuller and not bright. 

 

I still don't understand how people can say the T1 is brighter than a K702. I find it far less brighter on my set-up. In fact I would say it's incredibly smooth and not even bright, but I did notice brightness on bright tracks (The T1 reveals all!!)

 

Well I do run a tubed DAC (Uses a NOS Amperex 6DJ8) and a tube amp for then as well as my Roc amp. It's a very neutral amp but the WA2 (With Tung-Sol 7236 and 6N1P tubes) sounds very lush and inviting. I love that sound!!
 


It seems like a few more guys have logged in with the "overly bright" versions....(previously referred to as the "bass light" versions, I think overly bright is a better description since that was the first thing I noticed.)

 

My first pair were the overly bright versions and my second pair sound great, like Macedonianhero's and possibly Zonbie's...

 


Edited by upstateguy - 8/13/11 at 12:19pm
post #1224 of 10478
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Originally Posted by Icenine2 View Post

I've been having some incredibly great listening sessions w/my T-1's and the Cavalli Liquid Fire+W4S DAC2.  The latest is Zappa's Apostrophe.  Frank was a master in the studio.  The other night Beatles For Sale/24 bit version.

 

Funny thing.  I put the T-1's up for sale thinking I'd buy the LCDrev2's and the T-1's have seemed to get better and better the past two weeks.  Besides w/all the LC buzz nobody is interested in buying them anyways.  I digress.  The T-1's just sing w/the LF amp!

 

You have a pretty amazing amp/dac; you probably should audition all of the flagships if you can. I would try and audition at the same time, I'm eager to try both T1 and LCD-2 for a longer audition on a nice amp and dac. I did spend about an hour in a store with both and the T1 completely did it for me, while the LCD-2 did not.......at all.
 

 

post #1225 of 10478

Ok, so I tried changing my gain settings on my M-stage to it's highest setting, 20db I believe it is.  I am almost positive there is a difference there.  The highs are not as harsh.  It seems to have taken that very slight edge off.  Listening to Pearl Jam now (Jeremy) and I can pick every single instrument out of that song.  My K702s start to mush it all together when things get too busy.  Not the T1s, they keep right on going and I can still hear all the details and pick them out piece by piece.  It's quite nice.  

 

Now, with my current setup I would still call the T1s "bright".  However, as stated, my amp may not be completely up to snuff.  So, right now I am debating on whether or not to just go with the T1s and build a setup around them down the road or go with a high quality amp now and stick to my K702s.  

 

I am leaning towards the T1 setup now, but more listening time is needed.  I am definitely keeping an eye on the Amp FS/FT forums... :P

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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

I would agree there. I found my Marantz VC6001 to make the T1 sound fuller and not bright. 

 

I still don't understand how people can say the T1 is brighter than a K702. I find it far less brighter on my set-up. In fact I would say it's incredibly smooth and not even bright, but I did notice brightness on bright tracks (The T1 reveals all!!)

 

Well I do run a tubed DAC (Uses a NOS Amperex 6DJ8) and a tube amp for then as well as my Roc amp. It's a very neutral amp but the WA2 (With Tung-Sol 7236 and 6N1P tubes) sounds very lush and inviting. I love that sound!!
 



Zombie I agree having owned the 701 they were what I would consider bright. In my setup with tubes and a great source they are anything but bright. For people using MP3 and internet radio Well the old saying garbage in and garbage outbiggrin.gif. there was even some wild post saying they were like the 650. Go figurebigsmile_face.gif


Edited by Frank I - 8/13/11 at 1:29pm
post #1227 of 10478
Thread Starter 

I have all my stuff on my PC via 320kbps MP3 (Lame Encoded) and level 4 FLAC encoded. I use the MP3's mostly via the tube output on my DAC and balanced to my ROC (and soon to come SPL Auditor).

 

And yeah in comparison to the T1 the K702 is much brighter (no  don't have hearing damage, well I kinda do wink_face.gif). I lvoe my K702 but the T1 is a much better listen IMO.
 

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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post

Zombie I agree having owned the 701 they were what I would consider bright. In my setup with tubes and a great source they are anything but bright. For people using MP3 and internet radio Well the old saying garbage in and garbage outbiggrin.gif. there was even some wild post saying they were like the 650. Go figurebigsmile_face.gif

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Originally Posted by Zombie_X View Post

I have all my stuff on my PC via 320kbps MP3 (Lame Encoded) and level 4 FLAC encoded. I use the MP3's mostly via the tube output on my DAC and balanced to my ROC (and soon to come SPL Auditor).

 

And yeah in comparison to the T1 the K702 is much brighter (no  don't have hearing damage, well I kinda do wink_face.gif). I lvoe my K702 but the T1 is a much better listen IMO.
 


You have a tube dac which help IMO. I also see you have the VC60001 I still have and own therDV6001. Super players for the money. The SA8004 is my favorite sacd player and can also be used as a standalone dac if I want to mess with PC audio. I can also use the CD player for the ipod source using the Marantz Dac sounds good. with the iupod. I have all lossless on muy  ipod. Maybe I will set up a music server in the future.

 

post #1229 of 10478

Ok, this is strange.  So, I take a break for a bit and then come back and start listening again.  Almost immediately, I was like "where's the harshness?".  It's gone.  I can't explain it.  Now when I switch over to my K702s, they sound brighter and there is nowhere near the amount of detail or separation compared to the T1s.  

 

Maybe my ears needed a break.  I don't know.  Every time I leave and come back and listen to the T1s they get better.  It's very odd... but in a good way.

post #1230 of 10478
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Originally Posted by draven5494 View Post

Ok, this is strange.  So, I take a break for a bit and then come back and start listening again.  Almost immediately, I was like "where's the harshness?".  It's gone.  I can't explain it.  Now when I switch over to my K702s, they sound brighter and there is nowhere near the amount of detail or separation compared to the T1s.  

 

Maybe my ears needed a break.  I don't know.  Every time I leave and come back and listen to the T1s they get better.  It's very odd... but in a good way.

One thing I noticed when I first bought my T1 they need about 100 hrs of listening to really appreciate them They are not a wow phone and I still cannot find fault with them. But it took me 100 hrs to realize what they were capable of and they are special headphones IMO.
 

 

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