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I'm trying to decide between tube amps for my T1, either the Decware CSP2+ or the WooAudio Wa2. The price is pretty close together and they both can work as a preamp which is a must for me, i will be using them with the tubes that come with them for now. Which one is the quietest of those 2 with regard to hiss hum etc. At the moment i'm leaning to the CSP2+ with it's adjustable input and output volume because my dac is a little hot on the output and i've read some opinion's that it's quiet. Another plus is the option for a stepped attenuator....

 

Are there any upsides for the Wa 2 which i might have overlooked?

The CSP-2 also has a sub out for use as a preamp the WA2 does not. I use the CSP-2 and feel it is a perfect compliment and I also have the Taboo and a sub hooked up for speakers. For me I could not be happier.
 

 

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I'm trying to decide between tube amps for my T1, either the Decware CSP2+ or the WooAudio Wa2. The price is pretty close together and they both can work as a preamp which is a must for me, i will be using them with the tubes that come with them for now. Which one is the quietest of those 2 with regard to hiss hum etc. At the moment i'm leaning to the CSP2+ with it's adjustable input and output volume because my dac is a little hot on the output and i've read some opinion's that it's quiet. Another plus is the option for a stepped attenuator....

 

Are there any upsides for the Wa 2 which i might have overlooked?


I own the WA2 and the CSP2+. I have used both of them in my speaker system and have been very pleased. The CSP2+ is an incredible preamp and has driven my headphones very well and with its adjustable input pot--it's a really nice bonus. I own the K701, DT990 600 ohms and the HD650. I have found the CSP2+ to be dead silent and although the WA2 is an incredible amp in its own right, having to incorporate the 6080 power tubes in the WA2 has been a bit of a challenge for me. I've found a lot of of the ones I've acquired to be a bit microphonic which tends to add hum (and other sounds) when at listened higher volumes. The CSP2+ uses a 5U4G and 3 tubes of the 6DJ8 family. Sent PM. :)


Edited by Clayton SF - 8/12/11 at 8:20am
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The CSP-2 also has a sub out for use as a preamp the WA2 does not. I use the CSP-2 and feel it is a perfect compliment and I also have the Taboo and a sub hooked up for speakers. For me I could not be happier.
 

 


Yeah that's what i've gathered from your posts and also one of the reason's i'm considering it, seems hard to find faults with CSP-2+ if i solely go on opinion's and specs.

 

 

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I own the WA2 and the CSP2+. I have used both of them in my speaker system and have been very pleased. The CSP2+ is an incredible preamp and has driven my headphones very well and with its adjustable input pot--it's a really nice bonus. I own the K701, DT990 600 ohms and the HD650. I have found the CSP2+ to be dead silent and although the WA2 is an incredible amp in its own right, having to incorporate the 6080 power tubes in the WA2 has been a bit of a challenge for me. I've found a lot of of the ones I've acquired to be a bit microphonic which tends to add hum (and other sounds) when at listened higher volumes. The CSP2+ uses a 5U4G and 3 tubes of the 6DJ8 family. Sent PM. :)


Hmm so the CSP-2 is easier to find good working tubes for, that's definately a plus. And another vote for it being silent but what about the stepped attenuator any of you use that? I know it should improve imaging and clarity but i'm not sure by how much and if it's worth it for $250. Maybe i can add one myself for quite a bit cheaper but that will most likely void the warranty...

 

Anyways thanks for the opinion's guys beyersmile.png I will order the CSP-2+ at the end of the month and will post here with my experience!

Also sorry for going a bit off topic biggrin.gif

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That's outside my budget and ability to audition, unfortunately, so it's going to have to come down to as informed a decision as can be made with only specifications, brand loyalty and advice from various sources to go on.

 

T5 is a bad headphone? That's disappointing, the DT-770 is one of the only isolating closed cans I've ever liked the actual sound of. Ah, well.



Yes, the T5p has an extremely weird signature I can't imagine anyone liking and is worth nowhere near it's price. If you want a world-class closed can, look into the LA7000, ED8, or R10.

 

Having owned all three, I can tell you which of the three (HD800, T1, LCD2) would suit you best if you give your music preferences. 

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The Decware amps look really nice, intriguing even. Any thoughts on the Taboo with T1?

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The Decware amps look really nice, intriguing even. Any thoughts on the Taboo with T1?



The CSP-2 is much better than the Taboo for the T1. The Taboo has plenty of power but is a single ended pentode while the CSP-2 gives you the SET sound and was designed around high impedance cans. The Taboo play them good but the CSP-2 really is a synergy and much much better sounding. I use the taboo for the D7000 and the speakers.

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Yes, the T5p has an extremely weird signature I can't imagine anyone liking and is worth nowhere near it's price. If you want a world-class closed can, look into the LA7000, ED8, or R10.



 

Just a matter of preference. I had them for 6 months and never considered them bad phones, they are just different from what people normally expect. Very detailed and quite bright with little bass.. I really liked them. If not for the fact the I needed to trim down my portable rig I would have kept them.

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That's the problem, any given day I'll listen to thrash and death metal, progressive rock (from King Crimson to The Flower Kings) jazz compositions that were ripped from vinyl at some point, old public domain recordings of classic standards by various artists, classical music (prefer baroque), get in a mood for electronica (usually some house variant) or want to spin Ben Folds 5 or other singer/songwriter material. And sometimes I like early '90s country, or recent bluegrass. And rock, though I haven't enjoyed radio rock since Third Eye Blind was on the radio, all so angsty these days.

 

But they have to be able to handle female alto, that is an absolute must. Preferably also good for musicals, if the original cast recording of "Defying Gravity" sounds mediocre the headphones aren't doing it right!


Edited by NotJeffBuckley - 8/12/11 at 5:07pm
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Just a matter of preference. I had them for 6 months and never considered them bad phones, they are just different from what people normally expect. Very detailed and quite bright with little bass.. I really liked them. If not for the fact the I needed to trim down my portable rig I would have kept them.


Comparing them to the T1 side by side, the T5p was not in the same league. At $1295 the T5p is a complete ripoff, and if you need a high end closed portable can, the ED8 is so much better.

 



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That's the problem, any given day I'll listen to thrash and death metal, progressive rock (from King Crimson to The Flower Kings) jazz compositions that were ripped from vinyl at some point, old public domain recordings of classic standards by various artists, classical music (prefer baroque), get in a mood for electronica (usually some house variant) or want to spin Ben Folds 5 or other singer/songwriter material. And sometimes I like early '90s country, or recent bluegrass. And rock, though I haven't enjoyed radio rock since Third Eye Blind was on the radio, all so angsty these days.

 

But they have to be able to handle female alto, that is an absolute must. Preferably also good for musicals, if the original cast recording of "Defying Gravity" sounds mediocre the headphones aren't doing it right!


 

Well since you need an all-rounder, I'd cross the HD800 off your list. Between T1 and LCD-2 r1, personally I'd choose the LCD-2 r1 for everything you listed except classical. 

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Well since you need an all-rounder, I'd cross the HD800 off your list. Between T1 and LCD-2 r1, personally I'd choose the LCD-2 r1 for everything you listed except classical. 



I would definitely throw the HE-6 into the mix. They are tougher to drive, but I prefer them over the T1s. In the end, the LCD-2 (either rev...with a preference to the rev 2 for me) are still tops for me.

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I would definitely throw the HE-6 into the mix. They are tougher to drive, but I prefer them over the T1s. In the end, the LCD-2 (either rev...with a preference to the rev 2 for me) are still tops for me.

The HE500, HE-6, and LCD2 are all world class really, can't go wrong. The LCD-2 wins for me as well. 
 

 

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Interesting to hear that you prefer HE-6 over T1 now.  I also had some struggle in deciding letting which one go.  T1 is a great dynamic phone for sure.  However, I found HE-6 has some unique SQ such as large and natural stage and super-charged dynamic range.  Compare to HE-6, all my other phones has some "cave-like" reflection sound, which was only apparent when they are directly compared to HE-6 at large-scene high-volume passage.  T1 may has better focusing, but HE-6 release an almost boundary-less stage with amazing sonic explosion handling capability. That is what wins me over at the end.
 

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I would definitely throw the HE-6 into the mix. They are tougher to drive, but I prefer them over the T1s. In the end, the LCD-2 (either rev...with a preference to the rev 2 for me) are still tops for me.


 


Edited by dukja - 8/12/11 at 10:57pm
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Interesting to hear that you prefer HE-6 over T1 now.  I also had some struggle in deciding letting which one go.  T1 is a great dynamic phone for sure.  However, I found HE-6 has one unique SQ that is extremely large stage and wide dynamic range.  Compare to HE-6, all my other phones has some "cave-like" reflection sound, which was only apparent when they are directly compared to HE-6.  T1 may has better focusing, but HE-6 release an almost boundary-less stage with amazing large-scene handling capability. That is what wins me over at the end.
 



 

I find the HE500, HE-6, and T1 to have a very similar sound, but the two orthos are definitely a step up over the T1 imo. Unfortunately you do have to sacrifice comfort (and it leaks a lot more).

 

But if it's a boundless soundstage you desire, the HD800 is the ticket. 
 

 


Edited by Alghazanth - 8/12/11 at 10:59pm
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Have not heard of HD800 yet.  But as I said the "non-traditional soundstage" and reflectionless (from phone structure) were the uniqueness of HE-6.  They are different than "just the wide stage".

 

And HE-6's sound is definitely different from T1 alibi that they need to be driven by different amps (at least different output).  HE-6 has much broader sonic stroke and T1 is refine but thinner.  HE-6 has much generous lower bass and pressurized bass feeling while T1 has snappy and elastic upper bass.  Using a rough analogy: T1 is like fine art chamber music and HE-6 is wild energetic symphony.

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Originally Posted by Alghazanth View Post

 

I find the HE500, HE-6, and T1 to have a very similar sound, but the two orthos are definitely a step up over the T1 imo. Unfortunately you do have to sacrifice comfort (and it leaks a lot more). 

 

But if it's a boundless soundstage you desire, the HD800 is the ticket. 
 

 



 


Edited by dukja - 8/12/11 at 11:06pm
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Interesting to hear that you prefer HE-6 over T1 now.  I also had some struggle in deciding letting which one go.  T1 is a great dynamic phone for sure.  However, I found HE-6 has some unique SQ such as large and natural stage and super-charged dynamic range.  Compare to HE-6, all my other phones has some "cave-like" reflection sound, which was only apparent when they are directly compared to HE-6 at large-scene high-volume passage.  T1 may has better focusing, but HE-6 release an almost boundary-less stage with amazing sonic explosion handling capability. That is what wins me over at the end.
 



 


Puck I would think your HE6 sings with the Pioneer SX950. I know when I had them out of the speaker terminal of the SX980 they were something special. I prefer tubes so for me the CSP-2 and T1 is pure magic. But the HE6 is a special headphone but does require a powerful amp to get the best out of them.

 

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