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post #1171 of 10478

i heard its good but  of course, not ideal.  i was thinking of a mstage as a budget solution but i love tubes. i might buy a mstage later on the side though. im sure its gonna be good enough to make someone happy if they never had the t1 b4

post #1172 of 10478

contribute ? i just say my thoughts.

anybody EQ-ed the T1 ? which freq to rise ? which freq to decrease ? thx

post #1173 of 10478
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Originally Posted by draven5494 View Post

Is anyone using a T1 with a Matrix M-stage?  I have that amp and am very close to pulling the trigger on a used T1. 

 

I think I am finally ready to make the step up to the flagships and the T1 is the one I want.



When I first bought the T1 I had a Matrix and it sounded great. Good enough for me to buy the T1. I used the gain on 10 and found it satisfying. I got a major stepup with the 3X more expensive decware CSP-2 but you will be happy with the Matrix . I used it for months and was satisfied.

post #1174 of 10478
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post





When I first bought the T1 I had a Matrix and it sounded great. Good enough for me to buy the T1. I used the gain on 10 and found it satisfying. I got a major stepup with the 3X more expensive decware CSP-2 but you will be happy with the Matrix . I used it for months and was satisfied.

 

I'm very glad to hear that.  The M-stage does a great job with my K702s so I imagine it should be fine for the T1... well for a while anyway.. :p

 

Now, excuse me while I go give my wife a foot massage and deny any accusations that I "want to buy something" lol.

 

 

post #1175 of 10478

...sorry, wrong thread ...


Edited by Clayton SF - 8/10/11 at 4:04pm
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T1 vs GS1000i ! anybody?

post #1177 of 10478
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Originally Posted by agoston.berko View Post

T1 vs GS1000i ! anybody?



Not the same, but I've been comparing my old Grado HP1000's to my newly acquired T1's. I love Grado, but so far I'd say the T1 is an improvement.

 

post #1178 of 10478

T1 vs. a hammer?

 

T1 vs. MC Hammer?

 

These are the questions that try my soul.

post #1179 of 10478

explain so i can touch this too.

post #1180 of 10478

Ok, so I did a three way comparison between my D5000's, Fostex T50RP's (un-modded) and Beyerdynamic T1's.

 

Quick rundown is the T1's are slightly more open and detailed than the D5000's, with better instrumental separation and a slightly colder but overall more balanced sound. The mids are a little further back, but not recessed. Perfectly balanced imo, unlike the D5000's slightly more forward and fuller mids. Overall the T1's also sound a lot less thick, imagine a frequency graph that has more top end and less mid and low end compared to the D5000's. The big issue I have with the T1's however, is with bass quantity. Whilst the bass is immensely punchy and controlled, it's just no where near as full or quantitive as the D5000's. The lack of bass coupled with some brightness at the top end (sibilance) makes me think the SR-71A isn't powerful enough to run these phones, despite only using 3/4 of the volume knob. Of the following, which do you guys think are most likely the cause for the brightness in the high's and lack of bass quantity?

 

1. The SR-71A portable amp.

2. Not being fully burnt in.

3. The gold plated 1/4 to 1/8 adaptor used.

 

    This one. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004XU9BHG/ref=oss_product 

    It does say on the packet that it is fully 24k Gold plated. Not sure if it would negatively affect SQ or not.

 

4. The headphone sound signature itself.

 

If you guys could chime in on your thoughts, I'd be very grateful. At the moment, whilst I love the detail of the T1's, I'm still preferring music from the D5000's because of the fullness of it and mainly the bass quantity (which imo is still a tad too much).

 

With respect to the T50RP's (un-modded), they sound sort of like the T1's (slightly less full with more transparency or thinner tone) only with much more muffle, with less control and clarity. It's sound is considerably less clean than the D5000 or the T1. Almost feels like there's a cloudy veil over the sound presentation, though otherwise the actual sound signature is nice if touching on the tinny. Not a huge soundstage or bass quantity either, then again these are very cheap. I'll report back after they've been modded, which is the main reason I got them. There's certainly potential here with solid instrumental dynamics and a good sonic balance.

 

I do have an ALO Continental portable tube amp on route, which can supposedly easily drive some of the more demanding headphones, so it will be interesting to compare. Right now most of my stuff is in storage whilst I look for a new place to live (first time buy). So whilst I look for a new place to live, I'm at my parents, hence why portable is the only option. Might invest in a Shiit Valhalla and Biifrost later though.


Edited by Naim.F.C - 8/10/11 at 5:18pm
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Naim -

i have discovered over the last year of owning the T1 that it is a very amp-dependent headphone.  perhaps the most finicky of all the headphones i've heard when it comes to the amp being used.

 

i've heard the T1 described as "warm side of neutral", "cold", "bright-ish", and and everything in between.

And my take on why there is such varied opinion is simply the amp being used.

 

First, there's the 10kHz peak in the treble.  Which can be perceived quite differently from one listener to the other (HRTF, for example).

Furthermore, some amplifiers such as OTL amps will begin rolling off the treble just before this peak, basically changing the tonal balance of the T1.

Also, the T1, while fairly sensitive, do exhibit more "grunt" when given gobs of power.

 

So...  for instance, with my Little Dot MKVI, the T1 is a very warm phone with a pleasant and balanced treble response.

From my iBasso PB2, an altogether brighter headphone.

 

Talk about "your mileage may vary".

with the T1, mileage varies indeed. 

But, trust me, it's a headphone worthy of building a system around.

 

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Originally Posted by TheWuss View Post

Naim -

i have discovered over the last year of owning the T1 that it is a very amp-dependent headphone.  perhaps the most finicky of all the headphones i've heard when it comes to the amp being used.

 

i've heard the T1 described as "warm side of neutral", "cold", "bright-ish", and and everything in between.

And my take on why there is such varied opinion is simply the amp being used.

 

First, there's the 10kHz peak in the treble.  Which can be perceived quite differently from one listener to the other (HRTF, for example).

Furthermore, some amplifiers such as OTL amps will begin rolling off the treble just before this peak, basically changing the tonal balance of the T1.

Also, the T1, while fairly sensitive, do exhibit more "grunt" when given gobs of power.

 

So...  for instance, with my Little Dot MKVI, the T1 is a very warm phone with a pleasant and balanced treble response.

From my iBasso PB2, an altogether brighter headphone.

 

Talk about "your mileage may vary".

with the T1, mileage varies indeed. 

But, trust me, it's a headphone worthy of building a system around.

 


Thanks for your post, I greatly appreciate your input. Sounds like it could be an amp dependent thing (which was my main prediction).

 

Would the 1/4 to 1/8 adaptor I'm using negatively affect SQ at all?

 

I've read from numerous people, tube amps generally sound better with the T1, not sure how much truth there is to this. One person earlier mentioned he even preferred his Valhalla with the T1 than the Lyr, though has now switched to the WooAudio2. Wonder if the ALO Continental will improve things much from the SR-71A. I'm certainly excited to find out. I have a lot of faith in ALO products.

 


Edited by Naim.F.C - 8/10/11 at 5:28pm
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Naim The T1 is amp and source dependent. I use the Decware CSP-2 tube OTL and the synergy with the Marantz SA8004 is incredible. In contrast the D7000 has a smaller soundstage and has a warmer tone but soundstage and focus of the T1 with transparency is in another league. I also hav eSS amps that I can use and have used in the past. My vintage receiver and the SS headamps I owned Matrix,Concerto<GCHH,Asgard all were no where as good at driving my T1 and the Matrix and Concerto drove the T1 well and those amps were better suited for my D7000 than my CSP-2. Amps and sources make a big difference IMO. But consensus has been most people prefer the tube OTL type amps.I think you need to experiment and see what works best for you. God knows I went through plenty of amps but the one constant is my Decware CSP-2 is fantastic synergy with the T1.

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I don't have the experience of various amps that other Headfiers obviously have, but my T1 sounds fantastic from the Cantate 2, which would lead me to believe that the Concerto (Meier) would produce a similar (probably better) result.  My T1 has a very well balanced sound, no sibilance (although my ears are getting older) and realistic impactful bass, along with excellent mids.  I enjoy the crisp, detailed sound and have no desire to switch to a more liquid/smooth tube sound.  I have my Pro900 and ED8 for a change of signature when the mood/genre strikes.  I would describe the T1 as very neutral; sometimes I think it is slightly on the bright side of neutral and at other times I think that it is slightly on the warm side, all music dependent and subjective at the same time.

 

 

EDIT:  DNFTT


Edited by Kernmac - 8/10/11 at 7:00pm
post #1185 of 10478

I cannot believe that the plug is the cause of the brightness and lack of bass, or any other sonic differences apart from microphonics coming from wiggling the plug. Also,  i'ts only the outside that is plated, the rest of the plug is "ordinary" metal. Amping and lack of burn-in sound more likely.

 

It could also be your ears/gray mass that need to adjust to a "new" sound.


Edited by Stitch - 8/10/11 at 7:22pm
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