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Originally Posted by leng jai View Post

Agreed, I was surprised at how useless the D7000s were when it came to isolating the sound. Arguably the most leakage out of all the phones I own.
 



 



Hmm. I don't know about how much they leak, but as the listener I find that they are better at isolating/blocking out outside sounds than, say, the Beyers or Senns I have. (I know however this is not the concern of the original post-- blocking the sound for others around the listener).

 

Is there an identifiable closed can as opposed to open can sound? I need more experience with closed cans, as the Denon's do not appear to be properly representitive.

 

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Originally Posted by Arcamera View Post

Hmm. I don't know about how much they leak, but as the listener I find that they are better at isolating/blocking out outside sounds than, say, the Beyers or Senns I have. (I know however this is not the concern of the original post-- blocking the sound for others around the listener).

Is there an identifiable closed can as opposed to open can sound? I need more experience with closed cans, as the Denon's do not appear to be properly representitive.

 

The Denons are and they aren't representative of closed cans. Most fair to say they are representative of Denon's closed cans, since of course there's an element of them having their own "house sound" there... But they are very poor at the job of isolation, unfortunately, and that is really common among closed headphones in the high end, because it's difficult to effectively isolate 100hz to 1000hz without serious compromises.

 

But - you want to try an awesome closed headphone that's pretty topical? I can strongly recommend the Beyer DT-770 Pro 250ohm! They are an absolutely fantastic set of cans that actually offer real noise isolation, ranging from about -10dB at 100hz to -18dB in frequencies above that. They use the same driver and are nearly identical sound-wise to the DT-770 Premium 250ohm, the main differences being that they have slightly more clamp (which is great as far as I'm concerned, they're still extremely comfortable and it means you get true isolation which is more comparable to HD-280s than to Denons or Audio Technicas), and they have a more robust headband design intended to endure more "grab 'n go" or quick change studio usage.

 

As far as sound quality goes, they're excellent. The 250ohm are the ones to get, they have amazing bass tightness and extension. Not the 80ohm, not the M model - those are both quite different. The 80ohm has a somewhat less linear and less nice sounding frequency response and is just slightly noticeably slower, which becomes really important with closed headphones, as any reflections from the ear cup can cause some transient smearing if they encounter the driver with just the right phase relationship. The M model has amazing isolation, competitive with HD-280s, but sacrifices the elegantly designed bass reflex port of the 770 250ohm which allows it to have extremely tight bass for a closed headphone without sacrificing extension or midrange clarity.

 

One area that some folks complain about is their treble profile, which is similar to the DT-880 and DT-990 in that it has a somewhat forward presentation which, combined with the strong (but tight) bass can give the impression of relaxed mids. Depending on your listening material it can become fatiguing over time, though that is incredibly easy to correct if you've got some basic free tools - a shelf of -3.5dB starting at 8500hz and a midrange bump of 1dB or so at about 650hz with a moderate Q, with a level correction to ensure subtractive rather than additive EQing is a gentle nudge and all that's required to give them a slightly more relaxed presentation, bring out the mids a bit more, and control potential sibilance in the treble. Here's an example of that with Foobar 2000:

http://i55.tinypic.com/167jpl0.png, using the free Foobar2000 VST adapter:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=84947&st=275

 

The plugin I'm using there is great, low-resource, flexible, good visualization of the changes you're making to the frequency profile. It's called AO Mastering EQ. The problem is that as far as I can tell it is no longer available for download anywhere that I've looked, but there are other quality parametric low-phase options out there for free. This is my studio computer as well so I've got access to a lot of really nice professional plugins; if I wanted to get super fancy I'd toss a linear phase EQ on it, but it's just not necessary for such small adjustments in my opinion. Nudges don't need that much processing power :)

 

The thing is, though, I don't use that VST setup myself much to speak of at all. I like their sound just the way they are, and having tried quite a few closed cans I feel like these are among the nicest sounding, most balanced ones - certainly the most comfortable that still provide real isolation. And they can be had for a real bargain if you check Amazon.


Edited by NotJeffBuckley - 8/5/11 at 6:52am
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I use my D7000 and at moderate levels my family does not hear the music. I dont hear the TV also as much so for what you get with the D7000 over th770 is worth it to me. They are more transparent and have more refinement. That being said I use the T1 most of the time anyway

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Quote:Originally Posted by Shahrose 


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I'm not sure why so many around here ignore this fact. They dismiss certain high-end headphones because of the mediocrity of the system feeding them."


I totally agree. Headphones are part of an entire system. If someone expects to plug the T1 (HD800, HE500, LCD2) into an iPod (which I've read) using mp3 music and think they're getting the best out of them they're kidding themselves. This isn't a budget system. It requires an investment.

People are free to do as they want but I don't think that someone that has a T1 and the rest of the links in the chain fall short shouldn't either claim the headphones are bad or conversely shouldn't say that they've got the best out of the T1 and recommend that source or amps aren't important.


For those of you who have been around long enough to remember Ray's Hornet Vs The Raptor switch box challenges, know that it was extremely difficult to tell the two apart. 

 

I dug out my original unmodified Hornet and with low gain and a volume setting of 10:00, am listening to the T-1s.... and you know what, it sounds really good.  I can plug back and forth into my GS-1 and sure enough the GS-1 has more resolution and refinement and the Hornet has a slightly more forward sound, but the T-1s are not diminished by the old Hornet.  They sound like T-1s, and so do my 650s and 880s.  Is the GS-1 better?  Yes.  Can you enjoy the T-1s with a decent portable amp? Yes.

 

For the record the Portaphile V2 maxxed is my favorite portable amp and sounds even closer to the GS-1.  Soon there will be another portable around with $30 worth of parts, and measurements that will even give the GS-1 a run for it's money.

 

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Originally Posted by Icenine2 View Post

My T-1's for sale!  $1049 shipping included.  http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/565828/t-1-beyerdynamic-tesla#post_7657252



youll be back... they always come back.  :P gl with the sale. 

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How did this work?  Did you send it back for a headband replacement?  I haven't found the headband on my earlier T1 very comfy, so this is definitely interesting to me!

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Originally Posted by agoston.berko View Post

#1651 -> headband change in Germany.

now with new serial number: #5186 here

 

new headband -> new #number

 

good comfort.

 

 

and ADE tuning WORKS !!!!!

 



 

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Originally Posted by Icenine2 View Post

My T-1's for sale!  $1049 shipping included.  http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/565828/t-1-beyerdynamic-tesla#post_7657252


And what is replacing your T-1? Huh?

 

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Anyone using their T1 for classical music? Any comments?

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I have it my mind to get LCD2 rev2's.  I wrestle w/this in my audio mind.  And yes it is possible that these are better and the LC's just have a mojo following where because you have them more people want them.

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Originally Posted by Icenine2 View Post

I have it my mind to get LCD2 rev2's.  I wrestle w/this in my audio mind.  And yes it is possible that these are better and the LC's just have a mojo following where because you have them more people want them.


Since you've been wrestling this in your audio mind and so have I then it is beginning to sound like LCD2(rev.2) Tag Team.

 

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Anyone using their T1 for classical music? Any comments?



They're easily the best headphone I've owned for classical. Superb tone, detail, and very good soundstaging. My only gripe is that they're a bit bright within my current system. But I know they're otherwise excellent and worth getting the other components matched right-- why I'll be ordering an OTL tube amp for them soon.

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Originally Posted by pigmode View Post

Anyone using their T1 for classical music? Any comments?



Listening to Strauss Waltzes.  Very articulate, resolving and spacial, but the tone is not as good as the 650s... and the 650s are not as articulate, resolving or spacial.

 

I know what an orchestra sounds like and this is not it.  The 650s come closer to the real experience.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Arcamera View Post

They're easily the best headphone I've owned for classical. Superb tone, detail, and very good soundstaging. My only gripe is that they're a bit bright within my current system. But I know they're otherwise excellent and worth getting the other components matched right-- why I'll be ordering an OTL tube amp for them soon.



What's your set up?  Maybe you have the bright versions?


Edited by upstateguy - 8/5/11 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by Arcamera View Post





They're easily the best headphone I've owned for classical. Superb tone, detail, and very good soundstaging. My only gripe is that they're a bit bright within my current system. But I know they're otherwise excellent and worth getting the other components matched right-- why I'll be ordering an OTL tube amp for them soon.



Tube amps should cure that. With my SA8004 and CSP-2 OTL I hear no bright sound and they are the best phones all around for just about any type of music IMO. I listen to about 40 percent classical 40 percent jazz and 20 percent everything else. Great cans for any type of music.

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I agree, tubes may be the answer for you. Out of my Darkvoice 332 the T1s aren't bright at all.

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