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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

 

Here are some picture of my build in progress.. Also, I'm thinking of lining the entire case with copper to create a Faraday cage. Any expert thoughts on this?

 

Click on the photo's for a larger version.

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Some build notes:

  • I've still got to finish drilling the holes in the top piece and also have to make the knob. Once that's finished I'm going to smooth everything out and then apply a nice finish to the wood. I've also got some cool handles I'll be putting on the sides of the tubes. Not your 'standard' ones but I think they'll look nice.
  • I'm stilling waiting for my fuses and tubes to arrive. I've already biased the MOSFETs and the main PS voltage is set to 27.5V or 27V can't remember.
  • For anyone else building with wood Motherboard standoffs work very well. Just pre-drill a tight hole and then pack them in with a little gorilla glue or other expanding glue.
  • The capacitors are very close to the top piece, I achieved this by running the board through a table saw while the board was attached. Can't say I would recommend doing this...but it did work out nicely.
  • I'm not 100% sure on how I want to attach the top piece. I might sink in some threaded standoffs and then use socket screws. I want it to look nice but I also want to be able to easily remove it.
  • For the feet I'll either use small rubber ones or metal spikes. I don't really care, nobody ever sees the bottom of these things and I doubt this amp will benefit from being decoupled from the table.

 

-West

post #2 of 11

Very nice work!

 

About decoupling the bottom of the amp from the table - remember that there are cooling holes in the PCB at all heat sink positions.  Consequently, cooling will be greatly enhanced if you vent the bottom of the case.  This will allow heat-induced vertical-convection to flow at the heat sinks.  Likewise, you need sufficient standoff space between the tabletop and the bottom of the case to overcome a boundary layer effect.  I'm not sure exactly sure what height that should be, but probably 1/4" at least (more would be better).


Edited by tomb - 8/23/10 at 6:57am
post #3 of 11
Looking good so far. I like the clean look.

When you are drilling vent holes on the bottom, you might want to expose the test points as well. That way you can probe them with the top cover on when you bias your tubes. Of course you will still need top cover holes for the trim pots, so, maybe this works and maybe it doesn't. Just allows you to avoid test points on the back (tip jacks) or taking the top cover off when you roll tubes.

What is your goal with the faraday cage idea? Are you going to use it in a particularly noisy RF environment?
post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the comments guys.

 

I had completely forgotten about drilling holes in the bottom, but will definitely do it to promote cooling. I've got the MOSFETs biased at 250mv, so they'll need the extra help. I'll just print out the PCB template and knock them out with my drill press. The drill press has been making splinter free cuts in the plywood at 1700&2300RPMs, so I'm not too worried about destroying what I've already made.

 

I noticed that a lot of people kept the test points and trimmer pots easily accessible; however, I've opted not to do this. It was mainly for cosmetic reasons, but since the top will be removable (hopefully quickly) I'd rather just keep them hidden.

 

For the faraday cage I want to help minimize effects from cellphones and other devices. At the same time, no, it's not a particularly RF heavy environment. The copper would be the last thing I install, so maybe I just give it a listen and see if I need it. Won't be hard to add in the future, I just might get too lazy over it.

 

-West

 

post #5 of 11
Just an FYI, even in the Hammond case, the amp picks up my blackberry quite easily.

You might need a lot of copper!
post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 

We'll it's almost all done now. I'm really not sure why I bothered using Birch ply. I truly should have used nice hardwood, but whats done is done, and the amp turned out cosmetically so/so.

 

However...sonically, this amp is great! Very low noise and it's got such amazing clarity. I have the PSU voltage at 26.00V (tried running at 27.5 and the 24V Triad just couldn't do it). The tube bias is nailed at 13.00V right now, but I know I'll need to check and adjust this in the coming week. The MOSFETs are biased at 250mv.

wires-400.jpgcompleted-400.jpgtopclosed-400.jpgglow-400.jpgtubes-400.jpg

 

What's left for me to decide upon is the knob, feet, and 'tube guards'. For the feet I think I'm either going to go with rubber supports or metal spikes. I'm leaning towards the rubber as they are much easier to install/remove and they won't scratch up the desk it get's knocked.

feet-400.jpg

 

For the tube guards I have three options: none, one over each tube, or all four. Which one do you all like best?

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Finally the knob. On this one I'm fairly lost on what I want. My first question though is how is a knob meant to stay on this Alps shaft. I feel like I need to dremel it in half (into a semicircle) so that the knob doesn't eventually just spin around the shaft. The other issue is that I want the knob to be removable so that I can take the board out. If I made a wooden knob I would need to glue it on (as best I know) and then it would be a pita or impossible to remove. What have you all done? Maybe I'll just get a metal knob, any suggestions for this pot?

 

-West


Edited by whubbard - 8/26/10 at 1:11am
post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by whubbard View Post

We'll it's almost all done now. I'm really not sure why I bothered using Birch ply. I truly should have used nice hardwood, but whats done is done, and the amp turned out cosmetically so/so.

 

I think it looks pretty good, but if you're not happy with it - you could try some sort of stain and polyurethane and actually pick the look you want.

 

However...sonically, this amp is great! Very low noise and it's got such amazing clarity. I have the PSU voltage at 26.00V (tried running at 27.5 and the 24V Triad just couldn't do it). The tube bias is nailed at 13.00V right now, but I know I'll need to check and adjust this in the coming week. The MOSFETs are biased at 250mv.

 

Glad you like it! About the voltage - 27VDC is ideal, but this depends greatly on the line voltage available. The power supply on the PCB is set up to work from a voltage difference (as are all linear-regulated suppplies in Head-Fi). The line voltage sets the upper difference with the 24VAC walwart. When rectified and smoothed with the large electrolytics in the power supply, that usually results in about 35VDC. However, the losses in the rectifiers and voltage drop required by the LM317 bring that down to about 28-29VDC as the maximum that can be set under ideal conditions. The Triad walwart is rated for 120VAC line voltage, however, and some people only get 110VAC at the wall. In those cases, you may lose a volt or two from that 28-29VDC. We chose 27VDC as a happy medium that we felt most people could achieve, but there are always exceptions.

 

I recently had a customer in the Phillipines who really struggled with this, because in converting from their 220V wall voltage, all of the available convertors went to 110V, not 120V. (It's easy to see why they did this, because the 2:1 transformer windings made things simpler.) Anyway, his voltage was down around 24VDC, but he really wanted to get to 27 at V+ and Gnd. After trying several convertors - each larger than the last - he ended up with a very large, floor-standing convertor whose amperage rating was so high that the voltage headroom finally resulted in the 27VDC. Short of all that though, you've done the correct thing - adjusted for as high as you can get and still be regulated, and adjusted the bias to one-half of that.

 

 

What's left for me to decide upon is the knob, feet, and 'tube guards'. For the feet I think I'm either going to go with rubber supports or metal spikes. I'm leaning towards the rubber as they are much easier to install/remove and they won't scratch up the desk it get's knocked.

 

 

Just a guess, but I think you'll find that with that wood case, you'll be better off with feet that are screwed in, rather than glued/stuck on. Maybe you could let that determine your decision.

 

For the tube guards I have three options: none, one over each tube, or all four. Which one do you all like best?

 

 

Those are interesting with those twists in the middle! I would only remind that if you have any hope of changing the tubes out with the cover on, you may need the two-per-tube approach. However, since you'd need to re-bias every time you changed tubes, you'd have to remove the lid anyway (in your case). So, either one would work fine.

 

Finally the knob. On this one I'm fairly lost on what I want. My first question though is how is a knob meant to stay on this Alps shaft. I feel like I need to dremel it in half (into a semicircle) so that the knob doesn't eventually just spin around the shaft. The other issue is that I want the knob to be removable so that I can take the board out. If I made a wooden knob I would need to glue it on (as best I know) and then it would be a pita or impossible to remove. What have you all done? Maybe I'll just get a metal knob, any suggestions for this pot?

 

-West 

No need to worry about filing down a flat on the Alps. The metal is actually so soft in that shaft that any set screw will dig in with very little effort - there's no movement. That's the proper approach - a set screw. If considering a wooden knob, I would drill a set screw hole and glue in a brass insert that can be threaded. You could even use a regular 4-40 socket head cap screw if you carefully measured and drilled a counter-bore.

post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 

Tom,

 

Thanks for the advice.

What you see is actually the result of 2 applications of stain and 2 coats of polyurethane.

 

For the main voltage I will try pushing it back up to 27V. Hopefully the wall-wart will cooperate this time.

In regard to the DB Bias is it going to be any better sonically if I move it up to 275mV from 250mV?

 

As for the cosmetics, I'm going to need think about them. Problem is once I drill a hole there really isn't much in the way of going back (but then again there are already a lot of holes on the amp so maybe it would seem intentional.)

 

The set-screw on the knob sounds great. Definitely the easiest way to go about it, now I'll just have to find some scrap hardwood to make it out of. A ply knob would be hideous.

 

-West

 

EDIT: Running stable at 27V, 13.5V, 250mV


Edited by whubbard - 8/26/10 at 7:09am
post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by whubbard View Post

Tom,

 

Thanks for the advice.

What you see is actually the result of 2 applications of stain and 2 coats of polyurethane.

 

For the main voltage I will try pushing it back up to 27V. Hopefully the wall-wart will cooperate this time.

In regard to the DB Bias is it going to be any better sonically if I move it up to 275mV from 250mV?

 

As for the cosmetics, I'm going to need think about them. Problem is once I drill a hole there really isn't much in the way of going back (but then again there are already a lot of holes on the amp so maybe it would seem intentional.)

 

The set-screw on the knob sounds great. Definitely the easiest way to go about it, now I'll just have to find some scrap hardwood to make it out of. A ply knob would be hideous.

 

-West


Oops - it looked pretty light, so I guess I assumed it was unfinished - maybe a much darker color?  Still, it looks great to me, I was only responding to your apparent dissatisfaction.

 

From my experience, it seemed that the higher the bias, the better it sounds.  I went all the way up to 150ma (330mV) at one point, but backed off because it seemed to be too hot.  I wouldn't hesitate to get it up to 275mV, though.
 

post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 

No worries, it's a pretty natural stain with only a hint of red.

 

275mV: running great.

Also, found this in my Misc. Hardware drawer, will do for now.

knob-400.jpg

post #11 of 11
So, if you want to "cheat", home depot has some all wood knobs that are directed at the ceiling fan crowd. Some are pretty funky, some, not so much. Might be an option. I used to have some extras before we remodeled, otherwise they would be yours. Now they are mulch. :-)

I've always like the "natural" wood look myself. My significant other, not so much. I used to have a pair of klipsch heresy II speakers I hand rubbed in a natural finish. They were birch as well . A great wood for speakers. The depth of finish really doesn't start to come out until you do a dozen or so coats. So, it you like the direction it is heading, just keep coating.

I still miss those speakers. *sigh*
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