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It makes no sense for a company to do something that appeals to a very small portion of the population and cut off from a much larger portion..

sunwolf, your logic might apply to Linux, but is meaningless and outdated in the world of PMP's/DAP's,....times have changed. You don't get crappy bloated players when more features are added, but you've fallen under the illusion that you DO. That might hold true w/a Dell bloatware PC, but it's meaningless when it comes to media playing devices. Buying a Coby or Memorex device is akin to listening to music on a piece or garbage, but the devices we refer to aren't of such low quality/caliber.

Really, you're kinda funny,.....................

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Originally Posted by sunwolf 

I used it as Portable MUSIC player, but it doesn't really matter, we can use DAP instead then. :)

Perhaps I just took a bit of offense at the fact that people on the other end of the spectrum from what you want are apparently "idiots". 

 

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Originally Posted by Blue Meanie 

Perhaps I just took a bit of offense at the fact that people on the other end of the spectrum from what you want are apparently "idiots". 

 

Yup's, we's idiots,.................and we have low standards and settle for low quality. Nice of you to insult most of the forum members in one fell swoop

I would agree, all but the latist Coby's really suck, I did get to listen to 2 of the latist batch, they arent perfect, but they are better then anything coby has made in the past, but, this  idiot guy dosnt get it, no just because a bit was spent to add video support to a device that was already using hardware that could support video(the fuze for example) dosnt mean they skimped anywhere else, pmp's today(even the ones that only play music) dont use dedicated decoder chips(unless somebody here wants to say that players like the nationite n10 sound wonderfull) those that do (n10) tend to be POS's and sound like ASS.

I have used the so called "best" DAP/PMP that POS the s:flo2, honestly, it sounds OK, but the firmware sucks donkey cock, the SQ isnt anything to brag about, and the batt life is less then a clip+ running off the SD card with Rockbox EQ and Crossfeed and the works ENABLED playing HQ vorbis files....... 

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Originally Posted by nywytboy68 

sunwolf, your logic might apply to Linux, but is meaningless and outdated in the world of PMP's/DAP's,....times have changed. You don't get crappy bloated players when more features are added, but you've fallen under the illusion that you DO. That might hold true w/a Dell bloatware PC, but it's meaningless when it comes to media playing devices. Buying a Coby or Memorex device is akin to listening to music on a piece or garbage, but the devices we refer to aren't of such low quality/caliber.

 

Really, you're kinda funny,.....................

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Originally Posted by sunwolf 

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Yes the thread makes sense: More features only appeals to the common masses who have low standards for quality. I am fighting for LESS features, because SMALL SIZE and HIGH EFFICIENCY are my main priorities.A bloated DAP is even worse for me than a bloated software. I'm surprised that linux users don't see eye to eye with this since it's basically against bloated and mandatory proprietary software, about high efficiency, customizability and power usage.

Linux community is a myth , I'm using Linux since 2000, my distro is Debian though I'm not a free software zealot neither a computer geek. You're using the old Linux motto, one soft for one task, meaning less features=more quality, but it can't apply to DAPs or PMPs in general, because functions are so integrated you need a few chips for building a player.

For example my ICOO IX35 has the same Sigmatel 3770 base than Cube C30, Hippo Gumstick, Hisound Rocoo and other unknown chinese brands, it is mostly made of two big chips+FM with the same LCD display, but has no amp or sound effects like BBE. I'm not sure there are big differences in hardware between these models, software settings should be more significant.

Size of the FM radio chip (5807P)

Size of the amp chip (Max9722)

If I was dogmatic I would stick to Rockbox devices only (very limited choice), my ideal DAP would run Rockbox, have standard USB connector, Line Out, 1.8-2" screen (not tactile), good buttons ergonomics, and FM radio, that's all.

Sorry for my poor english

^My Cowon S9 screen is better than any LCD I have seen in any home, store, or school, even if it is LED backlit... Many players are indeed terrible at video playback and display quality, but some of them, like my Cowon, have finer pixels, better color saturation, and deeper blacks than even the finest LCD/LED TVs.

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Originally Posted by sunwolf 

I see you guys have a point about not costing too much more to add features and I am probably just too idealistic about this.

 

It's not my point, it's a fact, and yes, you're too idealistic.

I just think having a camera in the new iPods is retarded. Can't people use their cell phone already if they want a crappy picture, or a real camera if they want a good picture?

 

If build-in camera is a good sales pitch, it just means Apple marketing worked fine.

 

And I don't know about you but I only watch movies (the vast majority of "video" I ever watch) in HQ on my widescreen TV, so it's pointless and offensive to my taste to see these players supporting video playback. OK maybe there's no harm in adding these, but I just feel dirty for owning the features which I consider so poor taste even if I never use them.

 

I see your point (I watch Blu-Rays on a 70" screen), but you can't force people to listen to HQ music and not 128k mp3s with crappy headphones, or watching HD movies on a large screen than watching bad encoded avi videos on a 3.5" screen. Many people have not the funds to buy high quality devices, many others are not aware they can have better sound and image. I think PMPs are good answers when commuting, travelling or whatever the needs, and watching videos on a 4.3"-7" screen is not that bad.

 

I think the analogy with UNIX holds well. There is very little cost to adding other features into programs/software. Even memory-wise these days, a few hundred KB more is a drop in the sea. A lot of people still hold to that possibly-outdated ideal just because they like the simplicity and tidiness of it all, and of course we all have bad experiences with bloatware and hard to trust them.

I don't care about bloatwares and malwares, as a Debian user, I know the software repositories are secure, bugs are constantly corrected, Linux can work with limited hardware (the contrary of Windows which requires more and more hardware ressources) and many softwares are modular using plugins, I like this way of thinking, you just choose what you need.
 

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Originally Posted by stevenswall 

^My Cowon S9 screen is better than any LCD I have seen in any home, store, or school, even if it is LED backlit... Many players are indeed terrible at video playback and display quality, but some of them, like my Cowon, have finer pixels, better color saturation, and deeper blacks than even the finest LCD/LED TVs.

The problem is not the quality, but the size, to small for watching video IMHO, 4.3" is a minimum.