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nice
 

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I guess we could refer to these as the "Woody Harrelson" edition of Grados.  gs1000.gif

 



 

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Originally Posted by ib1dance View Post

Hi Guys great thread .

 

I'm sure this has been asked though my wi-fi is playing up slightly so browsing is laborious .

 

I own the iGrado's and  found the cutting hole in ear pads mod to greatly improve the treble .

 

I'm presuming most if not all these mods,punching holes for improved air flow and attaching velvet etc, that apply to the sr60 are relevant for the sr60i and also the Igrado's ?

 

Would anyone compare a modded up sr60i to a out of the box senn HD650?

 

I.E - Could I mod up some sr60i's and get a overall audiophile quality of sound that could measure up to the popular HD650? .

 

Or and what model of "out of the box" grado's do people believe a fully modded sr60i's is comparable too?.

 

Thanks and apologies as I'm sure these questions would of been discussed elsewhere .


Common consensus is they match or better everything up to the RS range, its just how far you're willing to take the mods. I'm not too sure about the 650 though, but I can tell you Grados sound plenty 'audiophile quality' in themselves (:

 

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Grados are completely different animals than Sennheisers. They will never sound alike.

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Originally Posted by Danthrax View Post

Grados are completely different animals than Sennheisers. They will never sound alike.

They don't have to sound alike to measure up, and judging from the number of enthusiastic modders here I'm willing to bet quite a few people think they measure up pretty decently (:

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They don't have to sound alike to measure up, and judging from the number of enthusiastic modders here I'm willing to bet quite a few people think they measure up pretty decently (:



I'm not 100 sure what you mean by measure up but the hd650 have a bigger sound stage with more instrument separation while the Grados are more in your face and cramped together. They have very different attributes that aren't comparable. Generally you try to make the lower end model of any series sound like a higher end in the same series (as in sr60's sounding like rs1's etc.) Its generally not possible to crossover and create the same sound as different manufacturers. This is due to many factors, such as the diaphragm material, density, and coating as well as the housing design. Even an sr60 will never have the true detail of a higher end Grado but it can gain a similar signature. Most of these mods make the sound different, they don't really improve the detail, that is limited by the diaphragm.

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Originally Posted by MaciekN View Post

I have shortened my monstrous carbon cups and added a third layer of fiber, they sound much better now than frankenstainous type. The shorter the cup the more relaxed mids get. To be honest when I compared carbon vs plasitc cups I tried them with no cups at all and the sound was quite fine, very open mids and highs and some lower bass was lacking. With longer tube cups sound sometimes seems like it's coming from somewhere in the cup behind the driver rather than from the driver itself.

With the carbon cups now being just lightly longer than stock ones I can report much more bass both in quantity and definition, they are quite potent down to even 20Hz. Apart from that sound signature hasn't changed much, there is less sharpness and shrillness in highs, lower mids are well filled. Definetly increased detail completes the description of carbon fiber cups.

I'll post some pictures when (if) I apply some cosmetics like laquer etc.

 

On a side note, it takes whole 5 minutes to make such cups, even a child could do it easly.


i do want to see this....c/f is great material 

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Originally Posted by ib1dance View Post

Hi Guys great thread .

 

I'm sure this has been asked though my wi-fi is playing up slightly so browsing is laborious .

 

I own the iGrado's and  found the cutting hole in ear pads mod to greatly improve the treble .

 

I'm presuming most if not all these mods,punching holes for improved air flow and attaching velvet etc, that apply to the sr60 are relevant for the sr60i and also the Igrado's ?

 

Would anyone compare a modded up sr60i to a out of the box senn HD650?

 

I.E - Could I mod up some sr60i's and get a overall audiophile quality of sound that could measure up to the popular HD650? .

 

Or and what model of "out of the box" grado's do people believe a fully modded sr60i's is comparable too?.

 

Thanks and apologies as I'm sure these questions would of been discussed elsewhere .


I typed up a response for you and forgot to hit enter! So, someone might have beaten me to the punch here...

 

 


1) The iGrado's enclosure is the main reason why they don't sound as good as the sr60's.. It's just not very good. (Also, you'd want to use dynamat instead of felt on the magnet of the driver)

 

2) You are comparing two completely different beasts whenever it is Grado vs. Senn... Everyone will have their preferences. Personally, I think nothing really compares to Grado's, but I just very fond of the sound sig.

 

3) It seems like most people feel that they can get almost comparable to RS1's, but not quite... Most people claim their legitimate RS1's have a certain.. .quality that just can't be recreated with mods. However, you can get pretty close apparently. 

 

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i do want to see this....c/f is great material 



+1. I don't care if it is pretty or not. 

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Whoa! thanks for the helpful response's  it's  clear grado have many enthusiasts
 

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Common consensus is they match or better everything up to the RS range, its just how far you're willing to take the mods. I'm not too sure about the 650 though, but I can tell you Grados sound plenty 'audiophile quality' in themselves (:

 



Sounds like a Good way of getting a high priced sound @ a budget cost .I can only go by the igrado and they do have a warm inviting sound .Though I haven't had the opportunity to compare that sound to another decent open headphone .



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Originally Posted by Danthrax View Post

Grados are completely different animals than Sennheisers. They will never sound alike.



I understand they will sound musically different,   I was just wondering though If a modded sr60i would be in the same league as a "refined sound" than the senn 650 .OK they have different sound signatures but they can be different and still both be of a high quality sound .


 

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They don't have to sound alike to measure up, and judging from the number of enthusiastic modders here I'm willing to bet quite a few people think they measure up pretty decently (:


Yes that's what I wish to know.Because I prefer the slightly smaller and minimal design of the Grado's and I already like the igrado sound. Maybe it's just a matter of which type of signature you become accustomed too rather than one is better than the other .Is it a matter of taste as many people like one or the other .Are many of these fans people whom originally bought a Senn or Grado and then grew accustomed to there signature .

 



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I'm not 100 sure what you mean by measure up but the hd650 have a bigger sound stage with more instrument separation while the Grados are more in your face and cramped together. They have very different attributes that aren't comparable. Generally you try to make the lower end model of any series sound like a higher end in the same series (as in sr60's sounding like rs1's etc.) Its generally not possible to crossover and create the same sound as different manufacturers. This is due to many factors, such as the diaphragm material, density, and coating as well as the housing design. Even an sr60 will never have the true detail of a higher end Grado but it can gain a similar signature. Most of these mods make the sound different, they don't really improve the detail, that is limited by the diaphragm.

The detail is limited by the diaphragm?.I read the SR series had all the same drivers?
 

 



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I typed up a response for you and forgot to hit enter! So, someone might have beaten me to the punch here...

 

 


1) The iGrado's enclosure is the main reason why they don't sound as good as the sr60's.. It's just not very good. (Also, you'd want to use dynamat instead of felt on the magnet of the driver)

 

2) You are comparing two completely different beasts whenever it is Grado vs. Senn... Everyone will have their preferences. Personally, I think nothing really compares to Grado's, but I just very fond of the sound sig.

 

3) It seems like most people feel that they can get almost comparable to RS1's, but not quite... Most people claim their legitimate RS1's have a certain.. .quality that just can't be recreated with mods. However, you can get pretty close apparently. 

 



Well if they are so different then I guess the only way to find out for sure which I prefer is to find somewhere I can compare the two and hear which one I Hear as the most overall balanced open head phone .

 

Hopefully I can find somewhere not too far away where I can test drive both with my own choice of music .

 

 


Edited by ib1dance - 4/27/11 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by ib1dance View Post

 

Well if they are so different then I guess the only way to find out for sure which I prefer is to find somewhere I can compare the two and hear which one I Hear as the most overall balanced open head phone .

 

Hopefully I can find somewhere not too far away where I can test drive both with my own choice of music .

 

 

 

 

That is without a doubt your best bet if you can find a place to test drive them.
 

 

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Originally Posted by ib1dance View Post

I.E - Could I mod up some sr60i's and get a overall audiophile quality of sound that could measure up to the popular HD650? .

 

 

Modding is all in the game.  The game being how you can improve the sound of the Grado to be unique.  People are not necessarily trying to chase or match the sound of a particular headphone brand or model by modding.  The modding is done with wooden cups to improve the bass, using felt liners to tame some of the treble and sourcing custom head band covers - to make the headphones more comfortable for wearing for longer periods of time, etc.

 

If you search the used market enough, you'll find some decent prices on Sennheiser HD650 headphones.  If that's a sound you're looking for, I'd suggest that you just jump in and get the HD650s.  Modding the Grados doesn't always turn out to one's liking.  There still could be some sound issues if you're "going the trail alone" and trying some unproven mods out.  However, most of the people in this thread follow a basic ritual of mods for their Grados - these are mods (wooden cups, special ear pads, etc) which have been built by such users as Bilavideo and others in this thread.

 

Don't get me wrong, Sennheiser makes an OK headphone.  In fact, I have a pair of HD555s that I use to go to sleep to at night.  I use my modified Grados for more critical listening while I'm awake - and relaxing after a long day of work.

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The detail is limited by the diaphragm?.I read the SR series had all the same drivers?
They definitely have something different going on from model to model in the driver, likely something with the mylar.

Clarity and bass response goes up as the models do, using the same shells and pads, so it has to be in the driver, and the plastic, holes, and felt are all the same so the VC is either higher quality, or the mylar is slightly different.

So really, a proper mod around a 225 driver probably sounds better than the exact same things on a 60 driver. So go grab a PS1000 driver and go crazy tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by ib1dance View Post

The detail is limited by the diaphragm?.I read the SR series had all the same drivers?


They definitely have something different going on from model to model in the driver, likely something with the mylar.

Clarity and bass response goes up as the models do, using the same shells and pads, so it has to be in the driver, and the plastic, holes, and felt are all the same so the VC is either higher quality, or the mylar is slightly different.

So really, a proper mod around a 225 driver probably sounds better than the exact same things on a 60 driver. So go grab a PS1000 driver and go crazy tongue.gif


 

drivers vary even in the same model of headphones... I do believe they are matched better as you go up. However, I have my doubts there is any difference between the 60's and 80's.. I'd maybe believe that they match them for the 125's and I would certainly believe that they match the drivers and make sure they are really top quality for 225 and up. THIS IS ALL SPECULATION :D

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Honestly if I was in the market to buy a Grado again I would go with the Alessandro MS1.
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Honestly if I was in the market to buy a Grado again I would go with the Alessandro MS1.


another good suggestion! 

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