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Mine still has2 year warranty i just bought 3 weeks ago! Pm me if you want it!
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Meier Audio Quickstep (also Stepdance and 2Stepdance) Discussion and Impressi...

Wish there is a potable amp with Meier audio cross feed. Have it on my rock box iPod. Prefer if its on a potable amp. Any idea if there is such a potable amp available? Sorry if the question has been asked previously.
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Wish there is a potable amp with Meier audio cross feed. Have it on my rock box iPod. Prefer if its on a potable amp. Any idea if there is such a potable amp available? Sorry if the question has been asked previously.

 

There was - the 'Move' series (Corda Move, 2Move and 3Move) before the StepDance series all have crossfeed.

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I wants it

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How high do guys listen to the volume on the quickstep on high gain?
8 oclock being low level listening....anybody listened to it at 3 o'clock? Would be deff soon huh?
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That depends on the headphone that I am using. And also on the input signal. For my AKG 702 I need to go up to 2:00 pm, whereas the Ultrasone Signature DJ only requires 11:30 am. That is when fed from Ipod Classic European version LOD.
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Originally Posted by Sonicmasala View Post

Wish there is a potable amp with Meier audio cross feed. Have it on my rock box iPod. Prefer if its on a potable amp. Any idea if there is such a potable amp available? Sorry if the question has been asked previously.

 

There was - the 'Move' series (Corda Move, 2Move and 3Move) before the StepDance series all have crossfeed.


Thanks ClieOS. Guess need to look out for a used one then.
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How high do guys listen to the volume on the quickstep on high gain?
8 oclock being low level listening....anybody listened to it at 3 o'clock? Would be deff soon huh?

With the HiFiMAN HE-500, I had it at around 3 o'clock on high gain for normal listening volume in a noisy environment. Depends on the headphones.



So I finally got my FAD Heaven V back in and hooked up the QuickStep to the D100 II. The difference in the character (not quality) of the sound from the iPhone 4S integrated amp to the QuickStep was very small. The difference in the character of the sound between listening to the amp in the D100 II and bypassing the internal amp through dual RCA to 3.5mm to the Quickstep is almost huge. The sound is just markedly different.

Can anyone explain what is happening?
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Thanks ClieOS. Guess need to look out for a used one then.

 

I'm pretty sure I saw one on the forums just the other day.

 

If you're skilled at DIY, there's also this... http://www.meier-audio.homepage.t-online.de/portaamp.htm

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With the HiFiMAN HE-500, I had it at around 3 o'clock on high gain for normal listening volume in a noisy environment. Depends on the headphones.



So I finally got my FAD Heaven V back in and hooked up the QuickStep to the D100 II. The difference in the character (not quality) of the sound from the iPhone 4S integrated amp to the QuickStep was very small. The difference in the character of the sound between listening to the amp in the D100 II and bypassing the internal amp through dual RCA to 3.5mm to the Quickstep is almost huge. The sound is just markedly different.

Can anyone explain what is happening?

 

If I understand correctly, you are comparing these three chains:

 

1) iPhone 4S > headphone out > FAD Heaven V

 

2) iPhone 4S (line out or headphone out?) > QuickStep > FAD Heaven V

 

You're saying there's not much difference observed between these two chains, above, but are you using line out for the second chain or are you double-amping?

 

If you're double-amping, the Quickstep, which is very neutral and transparent, will only amplify the sound of the iPhone 4S' internal amp - so it wouldn't sound much different, except perhaps for more bass extension and greater dynamics - but only with inefficient full-size headphones, not with something like the Heaven V.

 

3) What source? > Yulong D100 Mark II line out > QuickStep > FAD Heaven V

 

Pretty much any source you use with the D100 Mark II will end up sounding different with the QuickStep than the iPhone 4S' line out or headphone out with the QuickStep.

 

Mike

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If I understand correctly, you are comparing these three chains:

 

1) iPhone 4S > headphone out > FAD Heaven V

 

2) iPhone 4S (line out or headphone out?) > QuickStep > FAD Heaven V

 

You're saying there's not much difference observed between these two chains, above, but are you using line out for the second chain or are you double-amping?

 

If you're double-amping, the Quickstep, which is very neutral and transparent, will only amplify the sound of the iPhone 4S' internal amp - so it wouldn't sound much different, except perhaps for more bass extension and greater dynamics - but only with inefficient full-size headphones, not with something like the Heaven V.

 

3) What source? > Yulong D100 Mark II line out > QuickStep > FAD Heaven V

 

Pretty much any source you use with the D100 Mark II will end up sounding different with the QuickStep than the iPhone 4S' line out or headphone out with the QuickStep.

 

Mike

 

Definitely left out a lot of detail.

 

 

1) iPhone 4S > headphone out > FAD Heaven V

 

2) iPhone 4S > line out > QuickStep > FAD Heaven V

 

Thats the comparison for the iPhone. It's a similar sound, but better.

 

 

Then I try:

 

1) Sony Vaio > USB Cable > D100 MKII DAC/AMP > FAD Heaven V

 

2) Sony Vaio > USB Cable > D100 MKII DAC > Dual RCA to 3.5mm > QuickStep > FAD Heaven V

 

So the Vaio would be the... transport? and the D100 MKII would be the source.

Now, using the integrated amp section of the D100 MKII compared to the QuickStep yields a very different sound.

 

 

My confusion stems from: I don't know exactly where the difference is coming from. Is the D100 AMP changing the D100 DAC sound or is it the QuickStep? And why is there no major difference in character in the iPhone comparison?

 

If this can make that much of a difference on a sensitive IEM like the Heaven V, the D100 MKII > QuickStep was done using a 9V battery instead of mains power, but it didn't make that much of a difference on the iPhone.


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[snip]

 

1) Sony Vaio > USB Cable > D100 MKII DAC/AMP > FAD Heaven V

 

2) Sony Vaio > USB Cable > D100 MKII DAC > Dual RCA to 3.5mm > QuickStep > FAD Heaven V

 

[snip]

 

Now, using the integrated amp section of the D100 MKII compared to the QuickStep yields a very different sound.

 

My confusion stems from: I don't know exactly where the difference is coming from. Is the D100 AMP changing the D100 DAC sound or is it the QuickStep? And why is there no major difference in character in the iPhone comparison?

 

If this can make that much of a difference on a sensitive IEM like the Heaven V, the D100 MKII > QuickStep was done using a 9V battery instead of mains power, but it didn't make that much of a difference on the iPhone.

 

Having no experience with the D100 MKII, I can only conjecture, but I know that the Stepdance family of amps is renowned for being neutral and transparent, so...   I'm guessing the difference you hear is the difference between a neutral and transparent amp (QuickStep) and an amp that's not neutral or transparent (D100 MKII).   Elaborating...  I believe that when you're using the QuickStep, you're actually hearing the D100 MKII's DAC for what it is, instead of hearing it through the colorations added by the D100 MKII's amp.  

 

In my very limited experience, it seems to me that a lot of integrated DAC/amps are designed with amp sections that are not neutral - as if the designer(s) chose to modify the sound of the amp section to compensate something they didn't like about the DAC section - getting the two of them, together, to produce the sound they desire, on the assumption that most people will be using both sections simultaneously, rather than one or the other by itself.

 

Mike

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That's what I was kinda afraid of. But thinking about it a bit, it's not so bad. It gives me more choices and differences to play with.

For anyone wondering, the D100 MKII amp has a very clean and dry scalpel kind of presentation compared to the QuickStep which is more natural sounding, but not as crisp. Neither looses any detail or anything. I like both biggrin.gif

Thanks, Mike!
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So how do You know if quickstep is on high or low setting?
Opened the lid but only the battery is removable
Just curious
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