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post #811 of 867
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Originally Posted by Peter_S View Post

Anyone know if the Fiio X3 DAP (which now also works as a self powere DAC) works with iPhone/ipad?

 

 

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Originally Posted by CosmicHolyGhost View Post
 


someone tried it and reported that it does not work in one of those X3 threads....and it was not claimed that the USB DAC would work with iDevices.

If i recall correctly...

 

The only way it might work is if one uses both a CCK (30 pin) or Lightning-to-USB Camera adapter from the iDevice to a powered hub and then to the X3, and then only with iOS7 if one is using an iPhone or iPod Touch.   I do not believe the X3 has a "USB Charging Off" setting in its menu system like the E17.   I can get the E17 to work with iPhones/iPods on iOS7 and iPads with the CCK-type connectors and an unplugged powered hub only when I turn off USB Charging. 

post #812 of 867
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Originally Posted by ProtegeManiac View Post
 

 

Just curious - why do this when the X3 has its own player parts (screen, interface, etc) AND a potentially memory bigger than most iPhones or iPads? I mean, if you can afford either iDevice even the entry-level 16gb model, plus the X3, what's a $50 microSD card (or two)? Streaming audio off the iDevice is likely not even 320kbps VBR.


Good question.  I do get 320 kbps from spotify, and I'm thinking the X3 (or X5) will drive headphones better.  Does that make sense?  Or at 320 kbps do you think it doesn't matter.  I think it would likely make a difference.

post #813 of 867

The main reason I use an iDevice over a dedicated DAP is because I can precisely EQ with third-party apps like Equalizer from Audioforge.ca or HF Player from Onkyo.

 

I use Rockboxed iPods for the same reason.  The highest internal capacity I get from those is 128GB.   Larger capacities are possible but are expensive (DMinor is testing a 256GB CF card in a modded iPod now which should be Rockbox compatible  -- he got his card for $300 despite most retailers selling it for $1K). 

 

Another reason to use an iDevice is to get wireless streaming from a device like the Seagate Wireless Plus, or from streaming services like Spotify.

 

But IMO if you aren't making use of some specific feature like specialized EQ or wireless, a DAP is more cost-effective and better performance, at least at a given cost. 

 

On the other hand, if money is no object, an iDevice with a separate MFI-compliant DAC/amp can yield some amazing performance.

post #814 of 867
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Originally Posted by jazzman7 View Post
 

The main reason I use an iDevice over a dedicated DAP is because I can precisely EQ with third-party apps like Equalizer from Audioforge.ca or HF Player from Onkyo.

 

I use Rockboxed iPods for the same reason.  The highest internal capacity I get from those is 128GB.   Larger capacities are possible but are expensive (DMinor is testing a 256GB CF card in a modded iPod now which should be Rockbox compatible  -- he got his card for $300 despite most retailers selling it for $1K). 

 

Another reason to use an iDevice is to get wireless streaming from a device like the Seagate Wireless Plus, or from streaming services like Spotify.

 

But IMO if you aren't making use of some specific feature like specialized EQ or wireless, a DAP is more cost-effective and better performance, at least at a given cost. 

 

On the other hand, if money is no object, an iDevice with a separate MFI-compliant DAC/amp can yield some amazing performance.


Jazzman - my main issue with idevices (I have several) is limited storage and inability to pop in a memory card with more music (or more high-rez music - even better).  That requires a lot of money to get around, whereas a DAP (like the upcoming Fiios X5) allows popping in 2 128gb cards at any time - wow!

 

But I'm intrigued about the equalizers for use on idevices.  Will they work with any app playing music, or only the music app that comes with ios7 (formerly iTunes).  For instance, I listen to spotify and would love the EQ for that.  I'm assuming that an EQ you can do within an IDevice would be fed to an MFI compliant DAC/amp (such as the JDS Labs C5D which I just purchased).  Is that the case?

 

Also - I'd love to know how to get music off a Seagate Wireless Plus onto an iDevice.  That must be for another thread.

 

I wish that the upcoming Fiio X5 DAP, which can function as a USB DAC, would accept digital from an iDevice using the lightning to USB out.  If it did, I would have a DAP that would also stream easily.

 

Best, Peter

post #815 of 867
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Originally Posted by Peter_S View Post
 


Jazzman - my main issue with idevices (I have several) is limited storage and inability to pop in a memory card with more music (or more high-rez music - even better).  That requires a lot of money to get around, whereas a DAP (like the upcoming Fiios X5) allows popping in 2 128gb cards at any time - wow!

 

But I'm intrigued about the equalizers for use on idevices.  Will they work with any app playing music, or only the music app that comes with ios7 (formerly iTunes).  For instance, I listen to spotify and would love the EQ for that.  I'm assuming that an EQ you can do within an IDevice would be fed to an MFI compliant DAC/amp (such as the JDS Labs C5D which I just purchased).  Is that the case?

 

Also - I'd love to know how to get music off a Seagate Wireless Plus onto an iDevice.  That must be for another thread.

 

I wish that the upcoming Fiio X5 DAP, which can function as a USB DAC, would accept digital from an iDevice using the lightning to USB out.  If it did, I would have a DAP that would also stream easily.

 

Best, Peter

Totally agree on the limited fixed storage for Apple products.  This is their main weakness, in my opinion.  I find it funny that you can't pay for 128GB on a handheld iPod/iPhone even if you wanted to.  A 128GB iPod Touch has been rumored for a long time (years?) but still hasn't materialized. 

 

On the X5:  I don't think 128GB microSD cards exist yet.  So one is still limited to 128GB currently (2 x 64 GB).  

 

The equalizer functionality is all within app on the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad.  Equalizer from Audioforge works back on old devices like the iPhone 3GS and iPod Touch 3rd gen.  So you don't need a new device to use it (but then again, I'm not sure you can get the old app versions any more).    Apple does not have system-wide EQ, and their built-in EQ settings for the Music app are too mysterious to get me what I need.  EQ within an app passes through to a DAC/amp.  In fact, I find Onkyo's HF Player to be a bit cleaner than Audioforge's Equalizer on the HiFi M8.  HF Player even has a high bit depth (64 bit) setting which is interesting to play with.   Given the larger signal excursions one is likely to get with EQ, having more bits to do the computation is probably useful.

 

On using the Wireless Plus:  I have one and it works, but the playback software Seagate provides is kludgy.  I would not run out to get this just yet, unless (a) you need 1TB of music handy, (b) you crave 24-bit playback, and (c) you like to charge a lot (an iDevice on wireless uses more power, and the Seagate needs to be charged too).    Thraex has a thread on it. 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/625493/ipad-with-24-bit-files-high-storage-capacity-portability-bit-perfect-configurations-that-work

post #816 of 867
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Originally Posted by jazzman7 View Post
 

Totally agree on the limited fixed storage for Apple products.  This is their main weakness, in my opinion.  I find it funny that you can't pay for 128GB on a handheld iPod/iPhone even if you wanted to.

 

 

iPod classic already has 160GB, and both ipod classic's and ipod video's can be easily upgraded to 240GB's. I just ordered a 256GB CF card for my ipod video.

post #817 of 867
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Originally Posted by DMinor View Post

iPod classic already has 160GB, and both ipod classic's and ipod video's can be easily upgraded to 240GB's. I just ordered a 256GB CF card for my ipod video.

I'm sitting at 128GB for both my iPod Video 5th gen and iPod Mini 2nd gen. I need Rockbox and solid state. SSDs in IPods have issues with Rockbox, I think. I anxiously await your experience with the 256GB CF card. If it works out, that is my ticket as I already have the Tarkan board for the 5th gen.
post #818 of 867
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Originally Posted by jazzman7 View Post


I'm sitting at 128GB for both my iPod Video 5th gen and iPod Mini 2nd gen. I need Rockbox and solid state. SSDs in IPods have issues with Rockbox, I think. I anxiously await your experience with the 256GB CF card. If it works out, that is my ticket as I already have the Tarkan board for the 5th gen.

Since nobody has tried the 256GB CF yet (to my knowledge), this is a trial and error game. Let's keep fingers crossed.

 

Another option is to use a 256GB SDXC with the CF-SD adapter and the Tarkan. I am not aware anyone has tried this yet. For personal reason I now stay away from the SDXC cards.


Edited by DMinor - 12/19/13 at 12:23am
post #819 of 867
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Originally Posted by Peter_S View Post

 

But I'm intrigued about the equalizers for use on idevices.  Will they work with any app playing music, or only the music app that comes with ios7 (formerly iTunes).  For instance, I listen to spotify and would love the EQ for that.  I'm assuming that an EQ you can do within an IDevice would be fed to an MFI compliant DAC/amp (such as the JDS Labs C5D which I just purchased).  Is that the case?

 

How the C5D sounds connected as DAC and Amp with your iDevice ? It is bright or smooth ? Soundstage ? Thanks.

post #820 of 867
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Originally Posted by Peter_S View Post
 


Good question.  I do get 320 kbps from spotify, and I'm thinking the X3 (or X5) will drive headphones better.  Does that make sense?  Or at 320 kbps do you think it doesn't matter.  I think it would likely make a difference.

 

If I'm using an iPhone, I'd rather not complicate what I'm lugging around and just get an IEM that works well with it. Either it's a relatively cheap one with a mic for max convenience, or a good one that's OK with the iPhone but improves will enough with the X3 so it won't be redundant. If I'd use headphones with the X3 then it'll be at home or at the office (or anytime I can lug it around, which isn't every day). If your IEM is good enough and efficient enough you won't miss the better headphone on the X3 when listening to internet radio on the iPhone.

post #821 of 867
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Originally Posted by ProtegeManiac View Post
 

 

If I'm using an iPhone, I'd rather not complicate what I'm lugging around and just get an IEM that works well with it. Either it's a relatively cheap one with a mic for max convenience, or a good one that's OK with the iPhone but improves will enough with the X3 so it won't be redundant. If I'd use headphones with the X3 then it'll be at home or at the office (or anytime I can lug it around, which isn't every day). If your IEM is good enough and efficient enough you won't miss the better headphone on the X3 when listening to internet radio on the iPhone.


Yeah - that's where the problem lies.  If I could only find a pair of IEM's that I like, all this crazy lugging around of AKG K550's wouldn't be needed.  But, to be honest, the IEM's I've tried irritate my ear canals after a while.  Maybe I need to look into custom earmolds.  I've got a pair of Ultimate Ears Super.fi 5Pro and a pair of Vsonic GR07's.  I'm guessing that custom earmolds are not transferrable between different models of IEM's.  Thus, I think I'm SOL.  I do carry the IEM's with me in my computer backpack, but would only use them when I don't want to carry the AKG's.  I plan on taking the AKG's when I travel to most places, for use in that place and on the plane (which is why I bought closed headphones).

post #822 of 867
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Originally Posted by f198 View Post
 

How the C5D sounds connected as DAC and Amp with your iDevice ? It is bright or smooth ? Soundstage ? Thanks.


Hi f198.  I'm not prepared to answer that question just yet.  I just got the C5D and the AKG K550's, and: 1) they are both just breaking in, 2) I've only heard them together, not on any other equipment.  It's too early and I don't yet have perspective.  I will be going to a headphone meet here in Seattle on January 5th, and will do quite a bit of swapping around at that time, and will be better able to share impressions then.

post #823 of 867
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Originally Posted by Peter_S View Post
 


Yeah - that's where the problem lies.  If I could only find a pair of IEM's that I like, all this crazy lugging around of AKG K550's wouldn't be needed.  But, to be honest, the IEM's I've tried irritate my ear canals after a while.  Maybe I need to look into custom earmolds.  I've got a pair of Ultimate Ears Super.fi 5Pro and a pair of Vsonic GR07's.  I'm guessing that custom earmolds are not transferrable between different models of IEM's.  Thus, I think I'm SOL.  I do carry the IEM's with me in my computer backpack, but would only use them when I don't want to carry the AKG's.  I plan on taking the AKG's when I travel to most places, for use in that place and on the plane (which is why I bought closed headphones).


Have you tried Comply's?   I use a set of Comply tips on my GR07 BE.  They are very comfortable.   I'll figure out what they are and edit this post later.

post #824 of 867
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Originally Posted by Peter_S View Post
 


Yeah - that's where the problem lies.  If I could only find a pair of IEM's that I like, all this crazy lugging around of AKG K550's wouldn't be needed.  But, to be honest, the IEM's I've tried irritate my ear canals after a while.  Maybe I need to look into custom earmolds.  I've got a pair of Ultimate Ears Super.fi 5Pro and a pair of Vsonic GR07's.  I'm guessing that custom earmolds are not transferrable between different models of IEM's.  Thus, I think I'm SOL.  I do carry the IEM's with me in my computer backpack, but would only use them when I don't want to carry the AKG's.  I plan on taking the AKG's when I travel to most places, for use in that place and on the plane (which is why I bought closed headphones).

 

I was in a similar situation last year until recently. I was planning on getting the AKG K550 after I tried it with a DX100 I had for review, and months prior to that I had only my MEE M6P on a flight from Asia to California - at which point I discovered the difference between wearing it for a 30-min metro train ride and  march through the streets vs 2 hours at the airport and overnight in a jet (as if economy class/coach wasn't bad enough on its own). The K550 sucked with my SGS3, so my plan was to get an X3 for it.

Fortunately I ran into a pair of ASG-1's being sold for roughly $170 - I was willing to make a compromise for the treble roll-off on my phone vs all the alternatives (cost of K550 and X3, or other IEMs that are sharp on the treble, etc). Even luckier, a pair of clear Westone tips I had lying around not only fit right, they sound right - reducing much of the bass so I'd hear more of the upper midrange, which was really smooth. It's not as itchy in my ear canal since they don't need a really tight fit to anchor to my ears (the shell does that at the outer ear), and considering I sweat a lot, I wouldn't wear the K550 for hours on end even at low volume anyway since I'd sweat around the ears unless it's freezing (the only reason why I don't seriously consider moving to a colder country is that gout on my feet builds up faster in the cold).

I didn't completely take the K550 out as an option until recently however. I mean, if I wanted serious listening, then a headphone on my head is still it...until I realized I've barely used my HD600 since I put the Westone tip on the ASG-1.

post #825 of 867
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Originally Posted by jazzman7 View Post
 


Have you tried Comply's?   I use a set of Comply tips on my GR07 BE.  They are very comfortable.   I'll figure out what they are and edit this post later.

Comfortable indeed but may not be suitable for bright headphones as it increase brightness IMO xD

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