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post #106 of 897
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Originally Posted by Ultrainferno View Post


My boss just got me an iPad 64 3G as a Christmas present, but I'm completely new to Apple.



So if I understood well, I need a camera connection kit to link it to my DAC? What's the deal with the adaptors above?



 



Should I upgrade to the new OS or not?



 



thanks for the quick help






The camera connection kit will give you a digital signal out using USB.

I am using the new operating system with a pico, works fine, but check the list and other post to see if the dac you are planning to use will work with the iPad and if it will work with the new os.

The question of the adaptors is because if the power draw from the dac is too high you can have issues... ie if the power draw is too high the pad will give you an error and not drive the dac. Easy route is a dac with a low draw or one that doesn't draw power from the USB. The adaptors are to try and provide another power source or fool the pad into thinking that the draw is low enough for the iPad to handle.

Hoping that answers your questions.

Chris
post #107 of 897

Thanks for the quick answer. My Dac is in the list, so it should be fine with the 4.2 OS

Ordering a camera connection kit!

 

thx!

post #108 of 897
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The camera connection kit will give you a digital signal out using USB.I am using the new operating system with a pico, works fine, but check the list and other post to see if the dac you are planning to use will work with the iPad and if it will work with the new os.The question of the adaptors is because if the power draw from the dac is too high you can have issues... ie if the power draw is too high the pad will give you an error and not drive the dac. Easy route is a dac with a low draw or one that doesn't draw power from the USB. The adaptors are to try and provide another power source or fool the pad into thinking that the draw is low enough for the iPad to handle.Hoping that answers your questions.Chris


Are you using a Pico Amp with DAC, or a Pico DAC only?  I think they draw the same power, but am not sure.  Does anyone know 100%?  

 

I'm still staying with Jailbroken OS 3.2 until OS 4.2.1 has an untethered jailbreak, but I really hate that we don't know yet which of the dozens/hundreds of DACs that worked with OS 3.x still work or not.  

post #109 of 897

All USB-powered DACs will work from what I can tell, the question is will you need a T3 hub or a plug-in hub after the iOS update. Two out of three of mine that used to work by themselves will work with the T3 hub now, but not the most portable one unfortunately.


Edited by grokit - 12/13/10 at 12:17pm
post #110 of 897
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All USB-powered DACs will work from what I can tell, the question is will you need a T3 hub or a plug-in hub after the iOS update. Two out of three of mine that used to work by themselves will work with the T3 hub now, but not the most portable one unfortunately.



This is not true.  My RSA Predator does not work with the new OS.

post #111 of 897
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Are you using a Pico Amp with DAC, or a Pico DAC only?  I think they draw the same power, but am not sure.  Does anyone know 100%?  

 

I'm still staying with Jailbroken OS 3.2 until OS 4.2.1 has an untethered jailbreak, but I really hate that we don't know yet which of the dozens/hundreds of DACs that worked with OS 3.x still work or not.  





I don't know anything about jail breaking yet, but I'm staying with 3.2 so I can try my USB Constantine and USB Stello dacs. So far I am relatively unimpressed with the ipad's digital performance...... I assumed it would sound the same as USB from a laptop, but it's not as preferable.
post #112 of 897

4.2 was preinstalled. didn't have time yet to check if it works with my DAC

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All USB-powered DACs will work from what I can tell, the question is will you need a T3 hub or a plug-in hub after the iOS update. Two out of three of mine that used to work by themselves will work with the T3 hub now, but not the most portable one unfortunately.


This is not true.  My RSA Predator does not work with the new OS.

 


How can that be? The only DAC compatibility-related change with the new iOS is to limit on the voltage supplied by the USB through the Camera Kit AFAIK. If the DAC is getting its power from a powered hub, the new iOS shouldn't have any way to interfere.


Edited by grokit - 12/13/10 at 1:22pm
post #114 of 897

It isn't getting power from the Dr. Bott T3.  All the T3 does is trick the iPad into thinking there is a powered hub in between. The Predator needs more power than the iPad can offer so it doesn't work.

post #115 of 897

 

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It isn't getting power from the Dr. Bott T3.  All the T3 does is trick the iPad into thinking there is a powered hub in between. The Predator needs more power than the iPad can offer so it doesn't work.

 

Like I said in my original post, you may need to use an actual plug-in hub to make the Predator work with the iPad. But what about the Predator's internal battery, that doesn't do the trick in DAC-only mode?


Edited by grokit - 12/13/10 at 1:42pm
post #116 of 897

The internal battery powers the amp, not the DAC. mad.gif

post #117 of 897

So you can go in amp-only mode with the battery, but not DAC-only mode? Bummer!

post #118 of 897
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It isn't getting power from the Dr. Bott T3.  All the T3 does is trick the iPad into thinking there is a powered hub in between. The Predator needs more power than the iPad can offer so it doesn't work.



Did you try rebooting the ipad, not just putting it to sleep?

post #119 of 897
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A few things. First they don't tell you what dac chip and transport chips are used. Second, the istreamer requires an external AC power supply, so even though it's on the small side, it's not portable. third, the quality of the cheap plug in AC power supply is going to affect the sound of the dac. And forth, how is this different from a Constantine USB+ dac, or any of the other AC powered USB dacs? ....oh, one more thing, the PDF says that you have to have the windows volume control turned up all the way.... What's with that, I thought this was a digital signal?????


Yeah, I just don't see the point of this thing. Don't get fooled by the small size. This thing is "not" portable at all. And for that price, there are tons of options that uses external power.



Mellow out, people - if you dont like the specs, I expect that there will be many others who feel the same way and the iStreamer wont be the sales success that Kevin would have liked. Here are my thoughts:

 

1. I dont view a rig that consists of iPad->DAC->amp->headphones to be 'portable', regardless of the size of the DAC, amp or headphones. The same argument was made when the Lisa III was introduced as a 'portable' amp - the people who bought it were willing to accept the size of the thing in exchange for having the capability of a fullsize amp in a transportable package. I make no such claim for the iStreamer. 'Portable' is a pair of IEMs plugged into a DAP that fits neatly into my hand - when you leave the house/office/whatever, messing around with amps just doesnt make sense to me.

 

2. Wall warts are the bane of audio, but adding a discrete psu would have pushed the price up to a point where HRT would not have been able to sell anything like the quantity they have with the asynch Streamer. Again, if the Lisa III uses 2x9-volts, I dont see why this could not have been battery powered.

 

3. I routinely turn the volume to max in the operating system with every DAC I have owned and control the volume from my amp - I dont see this as a biggie, but others may well do.

 

Finally, the Head-Fi obsession with silicon chips is legendary - it completely disregards the importance of good design and implementation. End of the day, I guess that few of us will even hear the iStreamer, so its a debate that isnt worth pursuing.

 

post #120 of 897

 

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A few things. First they don't tell you what dac chip and transport chips are used. Second, the istreamer requires an external AC power supply, so even though it's on the small side, it's not portable. third, the quality of the cheap plug in AC power supply is going to affect the sound of the dac. And forth, how is this different from a Constantine USB+ dac, or any of the other AC powered USB dacs? ....oh, one more thing, the PDF says that you have to have the windows volume control turned up all the way.... What's with that, I thought this was a digital signal?????


Yeah, I just don't see the point of this thing. Don't get fooled by the small size. This thing is "not" portable at all. And for that price, there are tons of options that uses external power.



Mellow out, people - if you dont like the specs, I expect that there will be many others who feel the same way and the iStreamer wont be the sales success that Kevin would have liked. Here are my thoughts:

 

1. I dont view a rig that consists of iPad->DAC->amp->headphones to be 'portable', regardless of the size of the DAC, amp or headphones. The same argument was made when the Lisa III was introduced as a 'portable' amp - the people who bought it were willing to accept the size of the thing in exchange for having the capability of a fullsize amp in a transportable package. I make no such claim for the iStreamer. 'Portable' is a pair of IEMs plugged into a DAP that fits neatly into my hand - when you leave the house/office/whatever, messing around with amps just doesnt make sense to me.

 

2. Wall warts are the bane of audio, but adding a discrete psu would have pushed the price up to a point where HRT would not have been able to sell anything like the quantity they have with the asynch Streamer. Again, if the Lisa III uses 2x9-volts, I dont see why this could not have been battery powered.

 

3. I routinely turn the volume to max in the operating system with every DAC I have owned and control the volume from my amp - I dont see this as a biggie, but others may well do.

 

Finally, the Head-Fi obsession with silicon chips is legendary - it completely disregards the importance of good design and implementation. End of the day, I guess that few of us will even hear the iStreamer, so its a debate that isnt worth pursuing.

 

 

Agreed, this could have been a great product with a rechargeable battery to go with the wall wart IMO.

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