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post #16 of 39
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Originally Posted by BIG POPPA View Post

I really like my Woo3+ modified, you even have money for nice tubes like GEC A1834, Bendix 6080WB, or some Telefunken E88CC's


What do you mean with 'modified'? Is that something you can ask Jack when he's building the amp?

post #17 of 39

Yes I did order off the menu. Besides the gold plated tube bases, ordered Blackgates, WBT RCA jacks, and had Ken From revolutionpower.com sent him a Furutech Rhodium plated IEC.


Edited by BIG POPPA - 8/17/10 at 1:59am
post #18 of 39

What about the Maple Tree stuff?  Those are always touted as awesome!  Sexy point-to-point in them as well.  

 

http://hollowstate.netfirms.com/

 

I have been wanting to try one of those amps for a long time, I might actually get his preamp for my speaker rig.  

post #19 of 39
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Maple tree is another good option actually. I'll look into this.

 

This is the link to an Italian OTL:

http://www.megahertzaudio.it/otl_con_una_6080.htm

It's well rated in the Italian forums, but I'd like to know your opinion as well.

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Originally Posted by TigzStudio View Post

I don't understand all this Roc is dark stuff!  I just don't hear this really at all, and I am comparing it to a Violectric v181 and a Stacker II right now (although the v181 isn't burned in yet....if it needs it im not sure, time will tell).  Did nigel give his explanation of what dark means to him?  If not ask him, and ask him some specific examples that caused him to feel this way?


I don't actually find the Roc to be dark sounding just very VERY slighty darker than my Woo6se. The HF's are still there and there is still a massive amount of detail. So I am in no way talking about HD650 dark here. Maybe its slightly more neutral than the Woo although I have always considered the Woo to be neutral and balanced.

I would also like to state that according to many reports the Roc sounds its most neutral when using its ACSS input. I am currently using RCA inputs which may have an effect plus I have only had it just over a week so still plenty of burn in to do 

 

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Originally Posted by realmassy View Post

The Woo6 would be definitely a better overall choice...but I don't know if its sound signature is what I'm after.

Many describe it as neutral, and I already have a good neutral amp, though it's a SS one.

I'm in contact with a head-fi member (nigeljames), he has the Woo6 and the Roc, and he finds the Roc even darker. 

I definitely don't want a brighter amp.

 

Like I said previously if your budget allows the Woo2 could be a better bet given your tastes. Supposed to be warmer or you could always do the bias mod on your Roc
 


Edited by nigeljames - 8/17/10 at 2:16am
post #21 of 39
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Hi Nigel, I've tried the bias mod, now the voltage is set to 13.15V.

It's actually sounding darker (my stock value was over 15), but I'm looking for a richer sound, more than darker. It's not easy to explain by words: I find the Roc sounds thin on some recordings, not bright and I'd prefer a "fatter midrange"...

On same perfect recordings the Roc sounds awesome (after at least two hours of usage), but when I turn up the volume the sound gets thinner (you can easily noticed that with violins)

post #22 of 39

Have you tried these 'thin' recordings on another system? might just be bad recordings. The ROC is very revealing. It might even be the Ref5 thats the problem suppose it can't be ruled out if it is a hardware issue.

I don't think I could ever describe my Roc as thin.

post #23 of 39
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Unfortunately I have no other DAC, I guess a cheap V-DAC would be enough to rule out problems to the Ref.5.

But I don't want to buy a DAC just for test :-(

post #24 of 39

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Sorry but I just saw this pic on a review of an amplifier....and I had to post it in here....cracked me up . lol

 

Edited


Edited by TigzStudio - 8/18/10 at 6:33am
post #25 of 39
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Originally Posted by realmassy View Post

Unfortunately I have no other DAC, I guess a cheap V-DAC would be enough to rule out problems to the Ref.5.

But I don't want to buy a DAC just for test :-(


I forgot I have a CD player :-) I'll test it today, connected to the Roc and to the Ref.5 as transport

post #26 of 39

I assure you the Ref5 is not the blame!  Because when I listen to the LCD-2s on the stacker II and the v181 it is amazing rich and musically involving sound.  Same with using the Ref5 on my speaker rig.  

post #27 of 39
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Originally Posted by TigzStudio View Post

I assure you the Ref5 is not the blame!  Because when I listen to the LCD-2s on the stacker II and the v181 it is amazing rich and musically involving sound.  Same with using the Ref5 on my speaker rig.  


I personal think its the recordings. The Roc is very revealing and there is a lot of bably recorded music out there!

It sounds totally the opposite of my(limited) experiance of the Roc.

Nice collection of amps you have. Just read a review of the v181(http://www.headphonista.com/lake-people-violectric-hpa-v181/) sounds very nice.

Looking forward to any comparisons between your amps when you have time.

 

And for Realmassy a review of the Woo2 that I know he is considering:- http://www.headphonista.com/woo-audio-wa2/


Edited by nigeljames - 8/17/10 at 4:38am
post #28 of 39
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post




I personal think its the recordings. The Roc is very revealing and there is a lot of bably recorded music out there!

It sounds totally the opposite of my(limited) experiance of the Roc.

Nice collection of amps you have. Just read a review of the v181(http://www.headphonista.com/lake-people-violectric-hpa-v181/) sounds very nice.

Looking forward to any comparisons between your amps when you have time.

 

And for Realmassy a review of the Woo2 that I know he is considering:- http://www.headphonista.com/woo-audio-wa2/


Nice find on that review!  I assume the date listed is a mistake ;) says he wrote it in august of 2001 lol.  

 

Anyway, I actually agree so far with everything he said in that review and then some.  I did that blackground test to, dead silent. With this amplifier you feel like you are truly getting high, high end from top to bottom.  I have not tried sigle ended at all, only 4-pin balanced..I will try it maybe tomorrow....and I should have a review by this weekend.  I may have found the ultimate synergy headphone setup!....what now?! I have nothing left I want to purchase ! lol I guess its finally time to just buy more and more music!


Edited by TigzStudio - 8/17/10 at 4:54am
post #29 of 39

Did not even notice the date error 

 

The v181 certainly sounds like a quality amp. Had read no reviews at the time I ordered the Roc and as far as I know the v181 does not phase split. Only have a SE player. So the Roc was obvious choice in its price range and I have no complaints so far.

Looking forward to your reviews.

post #30 of 39

Post removed. :P  Disregard.


Edited by TigzStudio - 8/18/10 at 6:34am
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