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post #31 of 61

You might have a hard time finding Stagg in a store. Even online a lot of their stuff is hard to come by. Most of it's only on eBay that I've seen, so I guess they don't have very wide distribution here in the US. Honestly I don't think most of their stuff is that good, but sometimes the cheap Chinese brands do put out some really great cymbals, especially for accent or effect type things where you might be looking for a dirtier or more unique sound. For example, I swear by Wuhan chinas. They put name brand $200+ chinas to shame imo. I'm not sure I would call Zildjian overpriced, even though personally I've never really liked their sound, except for the Constantinople series and the dark or dry variations of the K rides. Same with Sabian. Their high end Artisan stuff is amazing, and I like certain cymbals of the HH and HHX. I'm really digging Meinl because they have so many unique sounds you just can't find anywhere else, and the higher end Paistes are just godly. Man, between drums, pro audio, and hifi, I've just got too many expensive things I wish I could buy! rolleyes.gif

post #32 of 61
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Originally Posted by chrisftl View Post

drumming is my first true love. been playing about four years now.

discontinued yamaha rydeen. 8x10, 10x13, 16x16, 14 inch snare.

nothing special, but my cymbals are beautiful. 16" k custom session crash, 14" a mastersound hi-hats, 20" sabian aa medium ride, a custom 8" slpash, wuhan 16" china. i'll take some pictures and post 'em. maybe haha

On the contrary, those are some Ultra Fine Cymbals!
Very, very nice!biggrin.gif
post #33 of 61

thread needs more pictures! :)

here a few recent shots i already have uploaded. and the numbers (a lot of gear isn't pictured here)...

 

tubs:

80s yamaha tour custom,

14x18, 16x22 kicks

14x14, 16x16 floors

8x12 rack

 

2000s tama rockstar

14x16, 16x20, 18x22 kicks

14x12, 12x10, 10x9, 8x8 racks

5.5x14 nickle-plated snare

 

pearl 6.5 FF w/ brass + maple shells, i believe 90s model

 

tama artwood 4x14 and 5.5x12

 

 

pies:

22" bettis

21" fierce ride

20" stine mod

20" 50s a ride

18" aa china

18" hh med crash

16" hhx ozone

15" 50s a hats

13" hhx stage hats

10" aa splash

8" vault cup chime

 

 

Think that's it. Recently sold a Sonor S-Class Pro, 20/10/12/14.

 

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post #34 of 61
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thread needs more pictures! :)

 

Times a million. Need more drum porn! I think I have even more fun looking at drum kits than I do hifi setups. :)

 

motW, that is beauuutiful. I Love your cymbals. Rides everywhere! I wanna get a similarly configured setup in the future. Also love the Yammies.

 

I recently sold my old hi-hats and got a good deal on ebay for a pair of my dream 16" Paiste Twenties. I'll try to snap a picture or two in the next few days.

post #35 of 61
Open question to all you drummers out there:

How long would you say it takes to burn in, i.e. play in a cymbal?

I think Ks take longer than K Customs.......any other opinions for different brands, types, etc?
Edited by Chris J - 6/7/12 at 4:48am
post #36 of 61
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Open question to all you drummers out there:
How long would you say it takes to burn in, i.e. play in a cymbal?
I think Ks take longer than K Customs.......any other opinions for different brands, types, etc?

 

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Are you serious?
Are you thread crapping?
post #38 of 61
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

Are you serious?
Are you thread crapping?
 

No I'm serious! At first I thought you were just making a joke combining burn-in with headphones/etc with drums. confused_face(1).gif Actually I'm still not completely sure you aren't. Is this something that other people talk about as well? I've never heard of such a thing before.


Edited by manveru - 6/7/12 at 6:18pm
post #39 of 61
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No I'm serious! At first I thought you were just making a joke combining burn-in with headphones/etc with drums. confused_face(1).gif  Actually I'm still not completely sure you aren't. Is this something that other people talk about as well? I've never heard of such a thing before.

Oh..........judging by your response I thought.................well, I won't say.
This is not one of those "do headphones burn in?" questions, because I don't think they do.

Anyway, yes, I am 100 % serious. A lot of cymblas need to be played in, hit and bashed for a while. Apparently it releves some of the stress in the metal.
I have had cymbals which do not seem to change in sounds much after you play them for a few weeks, or even several months.
And I have had cymbals which very obviously change in sound, usually they get mellower after a few weeks or even months.
You hear jazz drummers talking about this more than you hear rock drummers talking about it.
post #40 of 61
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

Oh..........judging by your response I thought.................well, I won't say.
This is not one of those "do headphones burn in?" questions, because I don't think they do.
Anyway, yes, I am 100 % serious. A lot of cymblas need to be played in, hit and bashed for a while. Apparently it releves some of the stress in the metal.
I have had cymbals which do not seem to change in sounds much after you play them for a few weeks, or even several months.
And I have had cymbals which very obviously change in sound, usually they get mellower after a few weeks or even months.
You hear jazz drummers talking about this more than you hear rock drummers talking about it.

 

Haha, sorry about that. I thought you were being humorous at first, so I made a humorous response.

 

Huh, that's interesting. I've honestly never heard about it before. I'm curious though...is not saying that a cymbal changes sound over time subject to all the same biases and whatnot as saying that headphones or amps or anything else changes over time? It sounds plausible, just not sure how one would be able to confirm it. I don't suppose anyone's ever tried to put this to the test?

 

Note I'm not trying to argue or anything. I'm just genuinely curious. redface.gif


Edited by manveru - 6/8/12 at 4:39am
post #41 of 61
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Haha, sorry about that. I thought you were being humorous at first, so I made a humorous response.

 

Huh, that's interesting. I've honestly never heard about it before. I'm curious though...is not saying that a cymbal changes sound over time subject to all the same biases and whatnot as saying that headphones or amps or anything else changes over time? It sounds plausible, just not sure how one would be able to confirm it. I don't suppose anyone's ever tried to put this to the test?

 

Note I'm not trying to argue or anything. I'm just genuinely curious. redface.gif

 

Nothing wrong with a little humour!wink_face.gif

 

Hmmmm, I guess if you really wanted to test this you would have to record the cymbal when you first buy it, then record the cymbal every month for a year or two to see if it really changes in sound over time.

Since no two 20" Constantinople Meduim Thin Low rides sound identical (I have heard this myself with various OTHER identical models) you couldn't buy two and play one and put the other one aside as a reference.

I have heard a lot of drummers say this, so I assume that it is a fact baased on their saying so and my experience.

 

To me it all sounds plausible as I have asked Mechanical Engineers about this, they say that I am relieving the stress in the metal by hitting it.

In addition, I am also pounding dust and wood and shellac into the cymbal every time I hit it.

 

To me, this sounds more plausible than saying that the sound of my amp changes after 400 hours of burn in. Because the electrons have beaten a path to the headphone jack? They don't get lost any more? The rough edges get worn off the electrons because they travel so much?   (yes, I don't believe in amp burn-in -  LOL!).

 

Of course all drummers might be suffering from a mass delusion!confused_face_2.gif

post #42 of 61
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Hm, I see. That's quite interesting. In the end I guess it's not something I'll really worry about anyways. I don't think I'd trust my memory to be accurate enough to compare a cymbal with itself from a few months ago, let alone a number in years. Especially if it's been moved or not even in the same room all bets are off. If I get a new cymbal I'll play it either way so whatever happens happens. redface.gif Well, one thing I myself have experienced is that cymbals can sound different depending on how clean or dirty they are.

post #43 of 61
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Hm, I see. That's quite interesting. In the end I guess it's not something I'll really worry about anyways. I don't think I'd trust my memory to be accurate enough to compare a cymbal with itself from a few months ago, let alone a number in years. Especially if it's been moved or not even in the same room all bets are off. If I get a new cymbal I'll play it either way so whatever happens happens. redface.gif  Well, one thing I myself have experienced is that cymbals can sound different depending on how clean or dirty they are.

Well you could argue that a cymbal getting played in really means it's getting dirty!biggrin.gif
post #44 of 61
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Originally Posted by Chris J View Post

Well you could argue that a cymbal getting played in really means it's getting dirty!biggrin.gif

 

I suppose that also lines up with what you said earlier about pounding dust and wood and stuff into it every time you hit it, haha. Plus fingerprints and dirt. All that aside, I wouldn't be surprised if hitting a piece of metal repeatedly changes it in some way though.

post #45 of 61
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Originally Posted by manveru View Post

I suppose that also lines up with what you said earlier about pounding dust and wood and stuff into it every time you hit it, haha. Plus fingerprints and dirt. All that aside, I wouldn't be surprised if hitting a piece of metal repeatedly changes it in some way though.

Man, are we crazy or what?
Talking to each other on two different threads! LOL!

Anyway, it makes sense that the sound of a played in, or broken in, cymbal is the combination pf all those factors.
For whatever reasons, I also have a 20" K Custom Medium Ride, it does not seem to have changed in sound much thru the years.
Dunno why that is......a different manufacturing process, perhaps?
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