The All New Earsonics SM3 Appreciation, Discussion and Review Thread! - Page 6  

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Originally Posted by shane55 

@ dweaver.

I sold my Coppers. Since you currently own both of these (SM3 and MTPC), how do they compare?

If you've already discussed ad nauseum, please just encapsulate (or post a link)... if you'd be so inclined.

 

cheers

 

shane

My coppers are off for repairs, so I will wait until they are back before I post a comparison but as a general rule the SM3 are technically better in most ways but not always better to listen to (genre specific) I plan on doing a very indepth comparison though so stay tuned.

Look forward to that.

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Originally Posted by dweaver 

My coppers are off for repairs, so I will wait until they are back before I post a comparison but as a general rule the SM3 are technically better in most ways but not always better to listen to (genre specific) I plan on doing a very indepth comparison though so stay tuned.

That's a good way to put it.  I've heard some IEM's and headphones that do things technically well but are not necessarily better to listen to.  

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Originally Posted by Anaxilus 

That's a good way to put it.  I've heard some IEM's and headphones that do things technically well but are not necessarily better to listen to as well.  

x2.

Or, conversely like the HD600 or D5000 for me. Technically not so good, but OMG, lush and gorgeous sound! Great (amazing, actually) for some things.
 

I ordered on the 27th and I emailed if I was getting shipped today. They said they are waiting for their 2nd shipment, should be early next week. Dang! But good customer service.

So I took my monster tri flange tips and lopped off the 3rd flange and tried that today. Still not quite as comfortable as the original tip but pretty darn close (much better than using them as tri-flange) and they actually still sound better than the original tip, in fact I think they are close to the same sound as I was getting as tri-flange. This leads me to think it's wider nozzle more than the extra depth that is making the treble a bit louder. I will confirm after I get my MTPC replacements from Monster as I will be able to do a true A/B test.

So here is a question for the custom tip folks. What type of nozzle is on your custom tip and can you choose how wide it is? The same question goes for custom shells, do you get to decide on the nozzle hole size or the material used as the filter to alter the sound? Finally if these questions should be asked in another thread, can someone point out the best one to ask it in, thanks.

Based on my tip efforts with the SM3, there is little doubt the wider the sound tube, the more treble. I used the monster triples with mine. Also, the custom sleeves I have, the UM56s, are decent in terms of sound tube diameter, as wide as the Monster flanges. But not real wide, as some of the single flange silicone tips can before IEMs with the wide (Sony, UE) sound tube.

When I had both the UM56s made and the TF10s reshelled, I did not get to modify the sound tube diameter.

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Originally Posted by dweaver 

So I took my monster tri flange tips and lopped off the 3rd flange and tried that today. Still not quite as comfortable as the original tip but pretty darn close (much better than using them as tri-flange) and they actually still sound better than the original tip, in fact I think they are close to the same sound as I was getting as tri-flange. This leads me to think it's wider nozzle more than the extra depth that is making the treble a bit louder. I will confirm after I get my MTPC replacements from Monster as I will be able to do a true A/B test.

 

So here is a question for the custom tip folks. What type of nozzle is on your custom tip and can you choose how wide it is? The same question goes for custom shells, do you get to decide on the nozzle hole size or the material used as the filter to alter the sound? Finally if these questions should be asked in another thread, can someone point out the best one to ask it in, thanks.

I think a couple other people thought his was true as well. Ask dfkt about his Phonak tips if you want more treble.

dweaver, I have a pair of PFE silicone tips you can have if you want them, but despite dfkt's preference for them, they didn't work for me. You are welcomed to try them.

I tried dfkt's loaner SM3 with his PFE tips, but in the end got better treble with UE silicons / cut back Ety glider spacers.

yes

Thanks for the replies guys, I have to really wide nozzle tips including a pair of UE's I will play with them and see if I can get more comfort and treble :-). Heck maybe I can save myself from going custom for a while :-). Slaters, I may hit you up for those PFE tips, I'll let you know after trying what I have. I wonder if this is all some ruse on the part of my brain to justify customs.... hmmmmmm

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Originally Posted by dweaver 

So I took my monster tri flange tips and lopped off the 3rd flange and tried that today. Still not quite as comfortable as the original tip but pretty darn close (much better than using them as tri-flange) and they actually still sound better than the original tip, in fact I think they are close to the same sound as I was getting as tri-flange. This leads me to think it's wider nozzle more than the extra depth that is making the treble a bit louder. I will confirm after I get my MTPC replacements from Monster as I will be able to do a true A/B test.

 

So here is a question for the custom tip folks. What type of nozzle is on your custom tip and can you choose how wide it is? The same question goes for custom shells, do you get to decide on the nozzle hole size or the material used as the filter to alter the sound? Finally if these questions should be asked in another thread, can someone point out the best one to ask it in, thanks.

Regarding the tips, you get to choose your material, but there is no filter. Mine is vinyl, a type of material that is harder than silicone but still softer than acrylic. It's heat activated too. The folks at Westone called my audiologist, and she asked me to measure the size of the nozzle. It's around 3.0-3.5mm.

OK so if I go WEstone UM56 I can choose my material. I will keep that in mind as I make my decision. The vinyl sounds like it woul be a good material.

As for my existing tips I have misplace my dime bag of eary stash!! Fortunately I has the wide nozzle large single flange tips that I kept from the M11's I reviewed and yes they sound damn good. I look forward to trying the UE when I can find them. The treble is now much more present and what I was looking for.

One thing that is interesting with the new tips and some of the other ones I have tried recently is differences in how they sound depending on how my head is tilted. If I look straight forward versus down the music sounds much cleaner and louder, not sure what this means but it is definitely interesting.