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post #61 of 1380
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Just a thought...unlock the original thread since IMO there were many good contributions from many members between the BS, ban away when people are out of line, and if you have the time clean up the crap in that thread to allow others to read the quality posts.  Agree/disagree and if it is worth it or not, your call.



X2, I like this idea as well, you could possibly combine the legit responses in this thread to the original. PM me if you would like some help (I can scour the thread and send you a list of the posts that are fighting for you to review saving you some time).

post #62 of 1380
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Sounds promissing... When did you order?
 


My order was th 21st if that helps.

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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post


My order was th 21st if that helps.


Whoa!! And just like that I get a shipping confirmation. Boom. Email mana from the interwebs.

Doesn't say where or who it's from, but delivery date Aug. 5.

 

EDIT: Ordered mine on the 23rd.

 

shane
 


Edited by shane55 - 7/30/10 at 10:44am
post #64 of 1380

EarSonics SM3 earphones have now stared shipping! Most pre-orders will go out today. http://yfrog.com/mvfahj

 

^ SoundEarphones twitter... weeee. Hopefully mine ships out, I ordered on the 27th.

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Wow two pages of posts with less than a hand full being on topic .

 

I appreciate some people disliking phrases like Buddy and attempts to continously be funny, and posts that are just chatting versus contributing. But in the above case Eric was asking a legitimate question and not chatting. As for his catch phrase "buddy" it's at worst iritating, not swearing, not racist, just iritating (and only to some, I for example just filter it out so it doesn't bother me), because it's not against any forum rules we all need to respect Eric's right to be himself versus trying to force him to write in a format we feel is appropriate. For those who simply can't stand the expression, they need to put Eric in their ignore list (and if their browser doesn't support that feature mentally ignore his posts versus giving in to the urge to post comments). If you need to complain, find a sympathetic member who you can PM with versus posting public comments.

 

For those who are Eric's friends, you need to stop rushing to his defense or continously use his catch phrase(s) in "support" of your friend. If he or you get attacked use the report function or just let the mods do their job. OR use the PM function to encourage each each other versus posting public comments.

 

BOTH cliques need to resist the urge to incite or defend and use MOB tactics as it really does take away the usefullness of this thread.


Sound advice. However, I would simply like to add that I do not belong to any clique or suffer from a mob mentality. I work alone and have actually tried to be constructive here, which is contrary to my naturally recalcitrant ways. I see that my posts have also been removed for my trouble. It looks like you can blame a guy for trying. Oh well, onward and ever upward.

post #66 of 1380
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Whoa!! And just like that I get a shipping confirmation. Boom. Email mana from the interwebs.

Doesn't say where or who it's from, but delivery date Aug. 5.

 

EDIT: Ordered mine on the 23rd.

 

shane
 


ordered mine on the 18th... no email as of yet... 

post #67 of 1380

Howdy iponderous;

 

I removed that whole sentence, in reflection it was unnecessary and a bit judgemental. More a reflection of my own frustration at the continued arguing than anything else.

 

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Sound advice. However, I would simply like to add that I do not belong to any clique or suffer from a mob mentality. I work alone and have actually tried to be constructive here, which is contrary to my naturally recalcitrant ways. I see that my posts have also been removed for my trouble. It looks like you can blame a guy for trying. Oh well, onward and ever upward.

post #68 of 1380

I was thinking of taking the plunge on the SM3s. Especially now with the coupon, I save about 50 bucks.

 

Just a question though for all you SM3ers. I saw several posts from people saying they don't benefit that much from an amp. Is that true? If you have a different experience, what amp are you using with them?

I read through the original thread but maybe I didn't look hard enough when I was skimming.

 

Cheers

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^^I have a nice little desktop amp and see very little improvement using it versus just my iPhone.

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I only use my computer at work and a 5.5g ipod at home. To me they are fantastic either way. I never got into thinking I need an amp for headphones. Sure I might be missing something, but i dont think I could justify having to carry something extra around and another bill to pay on. Get them anyway, Im pretty sure you will like them.

 

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I was thinking of taking the plunge on the SM3s. Especially now with the coupon, I save about 50 bucks.

 

Just a question though for all you SM3ers. I saw several posts from people saying they don't benefit that much from an amp. Is that true? If you have a different experience, what amp are you using with them?

I read through the original thread but maybe I didn't look hard enough when I was skimming.

 

Cheers

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@ dweaver.

I sold my Coppers. Since you currently own both of these (SM3 and MTPC), how do they compare?

If you've already discussed ad nauseum, please just encapsulate (or post a link)... if you'd be so inclined.

 

cheers

 

shane


Edited by shane55 - 7/30/10 at 12:04pm
post #72 of 1380
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Originally Posted by carnival View Post

I was thinking of taking the plunge on the SM3s. Especially now with the coupon, I save about 50 bucks.

 

Just a question though for all you SM3ers. I saw several posts from people saying they don't benefit that much from an amp. Is that true? If you have a different experience, what amp are you using with them?

I read through the original thread but maybe I didn't look hard enough when I was skimming.

 

Cheers


Some people find the amp is helpful (ex. Average_Joe) and use amps like the Headstage Arrow, iBasso T3, and the Pico Slim. Others (ex. Shigzeo) don't feel that an amp produces enough of a SQ boost to be worth the cost and weight. From what I have read, a better DAC affects the SQ much more than a better amp. But you would need to be at home with a computer to use an external DAC.

 

There are numerous reports of people that didn't think that amp was worth the money/weight and so sold their amp (ex. BennyBoy71).

 

Note: I do not own the SM3 yet (they are shipping). All the above notes are opinions from other people, that I have read.

post #73 of 1380
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Some people find the amp is helpful (ex. Average_Joe) and use amps like the Headstage Arrow, iBasso T3, and the Pico Slim. Others (ex. Shigzeo) don't feel that an amp produces enough of a SQ boost to be worth the cost and weight. From what I have read, a better DAC affects the SQ much more than a better amp. But you would need to be at home with a computer to use an external DAC.

 

There are numerous reports of people that didn't think that amp was worth the money/weight and so sold their amp (ex. BennyBoy71).

 

Note: I do not own the SM3 yet (they are shipping). All the above notes are opinions from other people, that I have read.


Very good summary.

If I may add to this... I also do not have my SM3's yet, but from what experience I have with HP's large and small, to me the benefits of amping are most apparent (and needed) with full-sized cans. I feel that if my source DAP (iPod, Cowan, Clip... whatever) is not sufficient to power my IEM's sufficiently, I should get different IEM's (or DAP, I guess ). If it's a matter of sound quality from the DAP, the amp will only magnify any issues the source component has and will not correct them. I also feel that other than increased overall quality of a home rig v. DAP, the IEM's are transparent to the source and have not in themselves actually improved with additional power.

These are my feelings as I also do not want the additional weight or bulk of a portable amp, so I make my credo fit my prefs. 

 

shane
 

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Great, that saves me some money! Most of my listening is on the go anyway.

 

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I only use my computer at work and a 5.5g ipod at home. To me they are fantastic either way. I never got into thinking I need an amp for headphones. Sure I might be missing something, but i dont think I could justify having to carry something extra around and another bill to pay on. Get them anyway, Im pretty sure you will like them.


Glad that works for you, I'm using the 5.5 too, so it's good to know that  the SM3s work well with it. (saw some posts about them not sounding great with certain DAPs)

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Originally Posted by violinvirtuoso View Post


Some people find the amp is helpful (ex. Average_Joe) and use amps like the Headstage Arrow, iBasso T3, and the Pico Slim. Others (ex. Shigzeo) don't feel that an amp produces enough of a SQ boost to be worth the cost and weight. From what I have read, a better DAC affects the SQ much more than a better amp. But you would need to be at home with a computer to use an external DAC.

 

There are numerous reports of people that didn't think that amp was worth the money/weight and so sold their amp (ex. BennyBoy71).

 

Note: I do not own the SM3 yet (they are shipping). All the above notes are opinions from other people, that I have read.


I find an amp useful because it allows me to tap into a better signal path from a DAC, such as the modified line out path of my DIY modded iPods or the line out of my Fuze.  From my HUD-MX1 the sound via amp was the same as the internal amp, but the RPX-33 does improve the sound over the other amps.  For me, it comes down to these things:

1) How much resolution is in the original track from mastering through bitrate.  Lower bitrate, better mastered tracks can sound better than poorly mastered FLAC tracks.

2) How much of the available resolution can the DAC resolve.

3) When using a DAP, does the built in amp signal path limit what the DAC is producing?  For example, are there low cost, low performance internal capacitors for DC offset of the output amp stage?  The line out path of the iPod 5.5g has two sets of low performance caps as well as op amps in the signal path.  Bypassing that increases the signal quality (and using quality capacitors) a great deal to my ears.

 

My ranking would be something like this for portable listening (have not had the T3 long enough for comparison purposes):

- iMod line out (film caps) -> Arrow

- S:flo2 line out -> Arrow

- Fuze line out (film caps) -> Arrow

- S:flo2 HPO

- iPhone line out -> Arrow

- iPhone HPO

- Fuze HPO

- iPod HPO

 

Another thing to note: if I am casually listening, the Fuze HPO would be fine, for example.  The differences are more subtle with the SM3 than with some of the other IEMs I have used as most of the other IEMs were much more amp dependent.  I do agree with shigzeo that the SM3 isn't hard to drive, but the benefit of a cleaner signal makes a difference to my ears.

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