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If you have to possibility to built yourself a headphone's driver, what will look like?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

Hello

 

I got this dream to build myself a headphone from A to Z, including the drivers!

 

I first built a winding machine that hopefully, I'll be able to made myself my own voice coil. The machine is not completed yet but close to be functional.

 

http://picasaweb.google.ca/plduchesne/WindingMachineCnc?feat=directlink

 

Since I am not an expert in air coil making, I've decided to post a form that can be filled by people with more audio knowledge than I have, so I can get an idea where to start from.

 

Just before, you fill the form, I want you to know that first is for my own use but eventually, will like to sell also custom headphones and custom air coils. I am just a mechanical engineer that wish to have one day his own small business and now starting putting some energy and money into it.

 

No obligations is requested, this is on a voluntary basis. Your help is welcome and much appreciated.

 

Here is the link to the form, I've tried to make it not so boring to fill. If you find that some questions are not appropriate or missing, please let me know.

 

https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=dElqV3ZmNEp1RU1NX1p6TXRCc0k0VWc6MQ#gid=0

 

BTW, the drivers that will be built from all data received, I will give a pair to 5 persons that will have filled the form, in return, will like input(no obligation) from the winners about the drivers and how do they sound. There is no ending date for now , will depend on people participation.

 

Thanks

Petecul

post #2 of 18

Electrostatic.

 

I am afraid (based on a long history of failures in DIY efforts on these forums) that forming the "cones" on a dyanamic headphone driver and attaching the coils to them is FAR beyond the means of most small operations.

post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 

Hi nikongod, 

 

Forming the cone should not be too difficult, was planning to use mylar and thermoform it with a heated die and hot air. For the other parts, attaching the coil to it....this might be complex. Is anybody have an idea how to glue an air coil to a cone? Which kind of glue should I use?

 

thanks

petecul

post #4 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by nikongod View Post

Electrostatic.

 

I am afraid (based on a long history of failures in DIY efforts on these forums) that forming the "cones" on a dyanamic headphone driver and attaching the coils to them is FAR beyond the means of most small operations.


I agree dyanmic drivers will be problematic for DIY.  

post #5 of 18

You might have already seen this video but it might offer some insight.  Looks like akg uses a UV curable glue.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LbsQRaQD6A

post #6 of 18

 

It's a huge pain to make your own headphone drivers. I started doing it last year, and stopped working on it. The coil equations are found easily enough to calculate impedance. The wire is easy to buy on eBay and through other sources. The problems I had were with the magnets. They were all either too big, or too small. I found the magnet's strength, the weight of the adhesive used, wire gauge, coil diameter, air gap, and even the coil height, all contributed to the drivers damping, efficiency, and overall quality. If I wound too small of a coil, it had a really low impedance and no amplifier was capable of driving it. I didn't get too much into figuring out what was actually going on. Just finding light enough bobbins, and winding mechanisms was hard enough. My final plan was to use silk as the spiders, and cut some baskets from wood. Keeping the coil centered around the magnet was another problem. If I put too much signal onto the coil, it jumped right off of the magnet. It's a big project.

 

I still think the idea of making hand wound drivers is cool, probably far more work than it's worth though. How will you handle returns if someone blows a driver, and wants their money back? My plan was to also sell a few sets per year. The possible returns was something I did not want to deal with. It's also highly unlikely anyone was going to pay me the $2k per set I might have had to charge to make my money back.

post #7 of 18
I'd also agree with attempting an electrostat or possibly a planar. Dynamic drivers look terribly difficult to DIY for the reasons listed above.

Still, I really admire your interest and dedication. Even if you don't get what you want, you're still going to learn a lot. That will probably pay off in some way.
post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 

Thanks  mudge coffee, very interesting video! Did work with locktite products in the past and still have left over of UV glue, just need to find a UV light and I should be fine!

 

Cool, I didn't think of that but will definitively give a try.

 

Appreciate

 

cheers

petecul


Edited by petecul - 7/30/10 at 8:24am
post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 

Hello deltaydeltax,

 

Your past experience with air coil will surely be helpfull for me, stay tuned to this thread, I'll post all my development as far as they go.

 

Handling defective return is way over my concerns for now. Will first try to build a good quality driver and then will figure out how to setup the the warranty thing. I guess that when I'll get in control of my manufacturing process, will probably include a % amount in the selling price of each units for deffective units to be replaced,  warranty replacement is never free,  we always pay for it in a way or an another.

 

I will probably get back to you once I'll have made a few, have your input if you don't mind?

 

by the way, my survey is still open

 

https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&pli=1&formkey=dElqV3ZmNEp1RU1NX1p6TXRCc0k0VWc6MQ#gid=0

 

cheers

petecul

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by deltaydeltax View Post

 

It's a huge pain to make your own headphone drivers. I started doing it last year, and stopped working on it. The coil equations are found easily enough to calculate impedance. The wire is easy to buy on eBay and through other sources. The problems I had were with the magnets. They were all either too big, or too small. I found the magnet's strength, the weight of the adhesive used, wire gauge, coil diameter, air gap, and even the coil height, all contributed to the drivers damping, efficiency, and overall quality. If I wound too small of a coil, it had a really low impedance and no amplifier was capable of driving it. I didn't get too much into figuring out what was actually going on. Just finding light enough bobbins, and winding mechanisms was hard enough. My final plan was to use silk as the spiders, and cut some baskets from wood. Keeping the coil centered around the magnet was another problem. If I put too much signal onto the coil, it jumped right off of the magnet. It's a big project.

 

I still think the idea of making hand wound drivers is cool, probably far more work than it's worth though. How will you handle returns if someone blows a driver, and wants their money back? My plan was to also sell a few sets per year. The possible returns was something I did not want to deal with. It's also highly unlikely anyone was going to pay me the $2k per set I might have had to charge to make my money back.

post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Erik View Post

I'd also agree with attempting an electrostat or possibly a planar. Dynamic drivers look terribly difficult to DIY for the reasons listed above.

Still, I really admire your interest and dedication. Even if you don't get what you want, you're still going to learn a lot. That will probably pay off in some way.


Stay tuned uncle eric, will share what I will learn with people on this forum.

thanks for your support,

cheers

 

petecul

post #11 of 18

I would replicate the K1000 driver, or even improve it.

Then sell as spare or upgrade parts to all those who want a pair. :k1000:

post #12 of 18

post #13 of 18

I'm in no way attempting to discourage you, but it's a TON of work. When I worked for a speaker company (a pretty well known one too!), we spent years developing drivers. The magnets used to come in neodymium slugs from some Asian country, and we had a monster of a machine which turned the neodymium into a permanent magnet. Depending on the amount of power you want to cycle through this device, you may need to worry a lot, or a little about cooling. Some manufacturers use various types of fluids to keep the coils from melting down. Others will use lots of air around the whole driver mechanism. I've even seen drivers built with small heat sinks on them.

 

One thing which may be useful, is picking a magnet first. It's tough to induce a large enough B-field to create a permanent magnet in metal. Well, not too tough, but not too many of us have the necessary equipment. I say to start with the magnet first for one big reason; you'll be super angry if you wind the perfect coil, then realize it's too small to fit over your magnet. There are also places such as Digikey which currently stock permanent magnets in various metals. Once you have a magnet, you can start looking for a metal basket/pole plate combination. In headphones, it's probably easier to choose a metal cup, and use the permanent magnet as the pole. They'll look something like:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/104454224/Speaker_component_Top_plate_U_Yoke.html

 

How do you plan on doing your impedance analysis?

 

This is a fun project, but a crap load of work.

post #14 of 18

I agree that the conventional cone-type driver will be very difficult to implement at home, but a planar driver might be possible.  Either electrostatic, or dynamic.  Maybe a very small version of something like a Magnepan speaker?  I'd imagine even that to be an extremely intricate endeavor.


Edited by amb - 8/1/10 at 11:00am
post #15 of 18
Thread Starter 

Humm...interesting design. well further I got post, more I am asking myself if making a driver is the right thing to do.

 

the other way is buying them and making headphones to customers specs ( not the acoustic but frame and look)

 

Well, still going one with this one. Not afraid yet but seriously thinking on a b plan.

 

petecul

 


 

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