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post #76 of 136

Wow I didn't know the ZERO only has a 3-month warranty. Based on my experience using the RE0, I would not buy them. Not even if they are sold at $50.

post #77 of 136
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Originally Posted by mvw2 View Post

  A product is made to a certain durability and will not break outside of blatant abuse. Because of this a warranty of 3 years versus a warranty of 3 months is no different.  Anything that should happen or go wrong should do it immediately and will be a result of some manufactured defect during production.  If the device is 100% working from the start, it will be that way for years.


*snipped out unrelated quotage*

Very naive statements.

I am assuming you've never owned a Shure SE530 then...
 


Edited by ProjectDenz - 9/25/10 at 5:24am
post #78 of 136

 

I think mvw2 is making a valid point.

 

 

on the other hand, spending high sums on a Yuin Pk1/O1 with basic cheap build quality means they should sound like they cost over 300? just imho.

 

off-topic but the ZePhone NB01 is cheaper than the Pk1/Ok1.

 

 

RE-Zero build quality looks pretty good, it's metal afterall.

 

post #79 of 136

I have owned a SE530.  I'm aware of the cable issue with it.  So is Shure.  This is unrelated to what a warranty is normally designed for.  Basically an engineer at Shure made the wrong material choice for the wire coating or a wrong choice in which wire to purchase from a vendor for the SE530.  They used it, became aware of it, but didn't do much about it.  People had problems and they started giving them new earphones.  They eventually made a material change that improved the issue.  Some people still complained about the redesign having problems.  Shure lost a lot of money do to a design error.  While this falls under warranty work, it isn't really a warranty issue.  It is a design problem that the manufacture was stuck with.  They just have to deal with it.  Even if their warranty was only 3 months, EVERYONE who owns a SE530 would basically demand Shure fix the problem...or people would simply rip into Shure and stop buying their products.  That isn't good for a company.  It just so happens that the warranty period is 2 years, and Shure is willing to fix any bad ones that fall within that range.  Technically, people could demand Shure replace them for 5 years, and if that's what everyone demanded in order to even think about purchasing a SE530, then Shure would have to do that even though the warranty period is only 2 years.  It just so happens that people are content with a 2 year plan, so the replacements simply remain under the warranty period.  After that you're SOL, not quite because the warranty period is over but because people generally don't care enough to force Shure to handle the issue longer than that 2 year scope.

 

Realize you never get anything free.  You can have a 10 year warranty on all earphones from every manufacturer, but you will pay for it on every item you purchase.  It's like buying insurance plans at stores like Best Buy for items you buy.  In reality, the insurance has a very high profit margin for the company because other than the very rare cases, nothing ever happens.  You are buying piece of mind.

 

Cheap is a relative perception.  We perceive metal as more costly, more elegant, more durable than plastic.  It really isn't that metal is better for that design though.  Plastic is plenty good when we need light weight, impact resistence, durability, and easy of manufacturing (keeps costs down).  I have an OK1 earbud.  It's plastic.  It's comprised mainly of oem bits and pieces that any earphone manufacturer can piece together.  The cord and the casing are universal items.  They're on the higher end of universal items though.  Despite being plain, they are thicker and more durable than most.  The IEM conversion part is unique to Yuin and custom hardware that had to be manufactured for them.  The driver, likely an oem product, is well chosen.  There are chances that it might be a custom driver developed for Yuin by an oem manufacturer(very common).  There is also a lot of overhead in the cost of these items.  These are very low volume products.  If you want to make 15% profit as a company and only sell 100 items a year, you need the markup high enough to meet this goal.  This may very well mean the item has a cost of 1/10th what the consumer pays.  10x cost to you, only 15% profit to the company.  This is no different with any company.

 

What are products like this worth?  Depends on the consumer.  I've owned my OK1 that I bought for $225 for a couple years now.  I've owned most of the high end IEMs during this time including the SE530, UM3X, IE8, Triple.Fi 10.  I've demoed others like the CK10 when possible.  I've bought and sold many IEMs, yet I still own my OK1 bud?  Why?  I have been attempting to find a replacement for my OK1 buds, something that doesn't need the wattage and EQing to be stellar.  I keep selling the other products because I see the OK1 as better in a lot of ways.  I've spent more on other earphones.  I've spent less on other earphones.  Many are very good products.  Most everything runs oem bits and pieces along with some custom fabricated parts (IEM shells for example).  Most everything is molded, glued plastic.  The cords on most of the hardware are around the same in function and durability.  I might praise the old ER4S cord and Shure SE530 cord for being over built, but even that doesn't do good.  Both were unnecessarily bulky.  The IE8 and OK1 are probably two of the nicer, medium weight cords I've used.  Twisted cords like the UM3X are nice in the sense that they are light and have built in spring by design.  There is some potential to snag with them, but the twisted cord design is among the lighter, more liked options out there, although realistically the wiring and protective casing is thin.  The new ER4 earphones apparently now run twisted cable too, and a lot of other manufacturers are hopping on the band wagon since people want it.

post #80 of 136

anyone else feeling like the left earbud is of lower volume ?

 

or maybe it's the record i am listening to now (dcd - spiritchaser)

 

i will check with another record and get back

 

I really like their sound though....and i just bought a pair of 252

 

nice.

 

post #81 of 136
Thread Starter 

That sounds like imbalance. I would contact Head Direct to get a replacement unless of course that was only on one song.

post #82 of 136
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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

That sounds like imbalance. I would contact Head Direct to get a replacement unless of course that was only on one song.


ι noticed it today so i want to see if it happens again or it was an one-off

 

i also noticed that the 'loud' ear seems to have its 'filter'(is that how you call it?) somehow , i wouldn't say removed, but it doesn't cover the whole area so maybe this is why it sounds 'louder'

 

i am still 1,5 month away from the 3-month 'window' so no worries

 

 

Rawster , you have the same amount of volume from both earbuds i presume ?

 

Also , how often should you change the filter ? what it's use ?

 


Edited by proedros - 10/3/10 at 11:29am
post #83 of 136
Thread Starter 

The filter only needs to be changed if removed or it falls off. If the filter is not on completely I would put it back on completely. One of my filters was falling off a bit but I put it back properly. That would explain the channel imbalance however.

post #84 of 136

I have found that the ZERO is more susceptible to channel imbalance than some other IEMs I've tried. Just turning my head one way or another can change my perception of the sound somewhat. A number of times I've thought one of the sides was fading but it's always been either me going crazy or an unbalanced recording.

post #85 of 136

I really like the zero's , in fact i went ahead and bought hugh laurie's brand new pair of 252 that he was selling

 

hifiman ftw baby !!!

 

damn it's nice listening to music with decent IEM's

 

Long time coming.

post #86 of 136
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Originally Posted by JoetheArachnid View Post

I have found that the ZERO is more susceptible to channel imbalance than some other IEMs I've tried. Just turning my head one way or another can change my perception of the sound somewhat. A number of times I've thought one of the sides was fading but it's always been either me going crazy or an unbalanced recording.



But, is it the ZERO that is susceptible to channel imbalance, or is it you, with your perception? Therefore you, going crazy?

post #87 of 136
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Originally Posted by okthxbye View Post

But, is it the ZERO that is susceptible to channel imbalance, or is it you, with your perception? Therefore you, going crazy?


OH MY GOD IT'S TRUE! I was listening to The Beatles 1 earlier and on some tracks all the vocals were just coming out of one side! The madness has come upon me! ;D

 

In all seriousness though, I did mean that the imbalance problem is a combination of perception and fit on my end. The IEMs themselves are perfectly balanced when the recording is.

post #88 of 136

<3 my zeros

post #89 of 136
Thread Starter 

I still enjoy my RE-Zero. My only issue with them is still the cable as I do not like the HifiMan cable. The sound is great however and well worth the price of admission imo.

post #90 of 136

tomorrow i will have my fake sony hybrid tips

 

7$ for 9 pairs of tips

 

Let's see how the sound changes with them....

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