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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

Hi all, I know next to nothing about electronics, and I was hoping you would help me :). 

here's where I got the design http://benfeist.com/a47/

 

I was looking at the diagrams and I was wondering if any of you could help me. These might seem obvious to you but I am lost. all the parts that are written specifically I have no problem finding on digikey. Some things I see in his amp are not in the diagram. But more importantly some things in the schematic are not in the diagram.

 

1.) The TLE2426CP goes through a 1uf to the bottom (sorry I honestly don't know) and it's not in the diagram

 

2.) Where would i solder a on/off switch on the board?

 

3.) for the power supply part of the amp he uses a wall wart. Which should I buy (it says 18v but I can't find the specific part on digikey)

 

4.) for R3 and R4 it just says 47. What do I buy?

 

5.) on the schematic for the audio input it says Pla 10k. Again what is this?

 

6.) can anyone suggest 3.55 mm input and outputs to buy?

 

and here's the list of parts so far:

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Sorry for all the questions, I really am. Please help :)

 

edit: forgot the link to schematic http://www.benfeist.com/a47/images/a47_assembly_and_schematic.pdf


Edited by BobSaysHi - 7/25/10 at 11:28pm
post #2 of 16
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Originally Posted by BobSaysHi View Post

 

1.) The TLE2426CP goes through a 1uf to the bottom (sorry I honestly don't know) and it's not in the diagram

 

2.) Where would i solder a on/off switch on the board?

 

3.) for the power supply part of the amp he uses a wall wart. Which should I buy (it says 18v but I can't find the specific part on digikey)

 

4.) for R3 and R4 it just says 47. What do I buy?

 

5.) on the schematic for the audio input it says Pla 10k. Again what is this?

 

6.) can anyone suggest 3.55 mm input and outputs to buy?

 

Sorry for all the questions, I really am. Please help :)


1. It can be omitted.

2. You can add switch right after the power. Let's say. between + and D1.

3. You don't have to if you have 9~16V wall wart laying arround.

4. Those are 47 ohms. 47.5 ohms, 50 ohms, doesn't really matter.

5. Panasonic 10K potentionmeter. Brand doesn't matter as long as it's descent. Also you can use 10K ~ 100K ohm pot if you want.

6. I can't remember the part # now. Whatever jack you choose, make sure it's not too cheapy, and it has thread and bolt if you wish to attach it at altoid can.


Edited by Seaside - 7/25/10 at 11:37pm
post #3 of 16

You need a dual ganged 10K LOG pot, not the two you have listed,

 

scrap the Schottky diode and the 1uf Ceramic use a film type 1uf capacitor

 

the Resistors you need metal film 1% 1/4W

 

values

2K x2

10K x2

100K x2

47R x4

 

cheers

FRED

post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 

@Fred

one of those 10k log pots is what he used in the diagram, also I couldn't find a dual ganged log pot on digikey. so since it worked with him why wouldn't that work now?

 

are these films good? 

http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=P4675-ND

 

Oh I didn't mean to add that ceramic 1uf or that extra log pot... I didn't realize they ended up in there 

 

@Seaside 

I dont have a wall wart and I can't find one on digikey. What should I search for to find the two 3.55 mm jacks and wall wart (I tried searching, and I'm sure Digikey has them)

 

Also, thanks a lot for your help, it means a lot.

 

updated parts list:bbbbbb.JPG

 

post #5 of 16

Sorry that pot will be fine I thought you'd chosen 2 single pots, that cap should be fine, You should be able to get a wallwart at any electrical store 12-18volts will be fine

 

cheers

FRED

post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 

One last question before bed 

you said to ditch the schotty diode, but it's used in the original schematic.

why get rid of it?

 

This wall wart seem pricey to me, are they always this expensive? It was the first one I found (it's very late) http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/730774-xfrmr-18w-18v-1a-multi-plug-ems180100-p5p-sz.html

 

are these jacks good? or do you have a suggestion? 

http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=CP1-3543-ND&itemSeq=88887190&uq=634157135833012982&cshift_ck=null&client_id=5042

 

I almost have all the parts, I'm so excited :)

 

Thanks again for your time and for answering my questions

 

parts (holy crap I'm up to 50 dollars):ccccccc.JPG

post #7 of 16

The diode is only a shunt to protect the circuit if you connect the power the wrong way, so I would not use it but your call :-)

 

Prices I'm not sure I'm in Australia so a lot difference,

 

but why are you getting 10 x 1uf caps and 10 x 47R resistors??

 

You are ordering 2ohm, 10ohm and 100ohm resistors

You need 2Kohm, 10Kohm and 100Kohm resistors

 

The jacks look ok, theres hundreds of different ones, but those have a threaded mount which will help when casing up

 

good luck

 

cheers

FRED

post #8 of 16

I would keep the crowbar diode for protection. One thing you don't have in your parts list is IC sockets. Something like A400-ND or an equivalent Mill-Max ED3308-ND. For resistors, I always liked the BC SFR25 series (PPC100KYCT-ND, PPC10.0KYCT-ND, PPC2.21KYCT-ND, etc.). For AC adapters, I'd look at the Reliapro series from Jameco... good and cost effective. I would also use the Alps RK097 pot (w/switch) from Tangent or Amb over the Panasonic pot from Digikey, but if you are trying to order from one vendor, then understandable. I would also use Panasonic FM caps over the FC you have listed.

 

Personally, I'm not sure why you are building an A47... a Mini3 would not cost much more and will kick its ass.

post #9 of 16
Thread Starter 

@Pars

how much more would a mini3 cost? I was under the impression that the a47 would be a good choice for an amp for grados. however I am totally open for a new choice if you think it's worth it.

 

@Fred 

the extra parts are because the lowest amount they sell them in is 10. I completely missed the K ohm factors... That would've been bad, Thanks for the help.


Edited by BobSaysHi - 7/26/10 at 12:55pm
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 

OK, I looked at the cost for the mini3 and it isn't much more. is it worth it for grados?

 

I'll wait to purchase till I hear back :)


Edited by BobSaysHi - 7/26/10 at 11:31am
post #11 of 16

Let's say this way.

 

A47 is sort of basic amp design just like Cmoy + buffer. Nothing new, but quite nice for grado phones. M3 is more complicated, better design, requires little bit of pair matching and stuff. I recommend you try A47 regardless of existance of other amps. Don't worry too much about getting exactly the same parts on the list. All can be subsituted with similar parts.

 

For the wall wart, I have bunch of them laying arround from answering machines, phones, old crappy PC speakers, cable modem that died 2 years ago etc. You may be able to find something like that. If you can't find it at home, get any wallwart that is 9~18V range. A47 does not require whole lot of voltage or hefty current. Just make sure the polarity is right when you connect it..

post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 

OK, after all this time selecting parts, I think I'm done. Thank you all for your help, I feel like I learned a lot. I added a led and a 10k resistor for the rled (I'm pretty sure that's right), added ICs (these are for the opamps right?), changed all resistors to proper values, changed caps to 470uF FM. But, one last thing. Could someone check and make sure my dc power plug and adapter are ok?

 

adapter: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=CP-002A-ND&itemSeq=88914943&uq=634157542109710376&cshift_ck=null&client_id=5042

 

plug: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=CP-002A-ND&itemSeq=88914943&uq=634157542109710376&cshift_ck=null&client_id=5042

 

I'm impressed I was able to purchase everything from one vendor, here's the final (hopefully) cart:

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A great big thanks to everyone for their help :)

post #13 of 16

 

Quote:
Could someone check and make sure my dc power plug and adapter are ok?

 

 

It's a cheap switch mode adapter.... Which means it's going to be noisy.

 

You might want to pick a panel mountable jack instead.

Try something like # CP-5-ND instead?

 

FWIW the parts for a Mini3 without the custom end panels are roughly $80 and it's a no brainer compared to the A47 with Grados.

post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 

ok, if you guys think it's worth it, I'll go for the Mini3. I'll save this cart just in case though. It wasn't a complete waste, as I learned a LOT about amps. Thanks for your time.

post #15 of 16

Not sure if you already knew this, but GlassJar Audio sells an entire Mini3 kit for ~$95 that appears to include everything (case, nice knob, wallwart, etc.)

 

http://www.glassjaraudio.com/product.sc?productId=9&categoryId=2

 

While the A47 was good for its time, particularly for Grados, it isn't in the same league with the mini3. Most of the Cmoys that I built were done as A47s (not from the feist article that you posted though), as it was a) easy and b) sounded better. Mini3s weren't around then though.

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