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post #46 of 149

Could you go into any more detail about the SE535 though?  After I posted above, I did re-realize your other thread and started reading through it more.  Initially, you perceived no real difference, but you also hadn't had the SE530 for a while.  It wasn't really until after you got an e-mail back from Shure that you verified any suspicions on the treble.  You do comment some about the sound stage and air improving, but you never really go into detail as to how.  You also talk a lot about the realism of sound of the SE535. 

 

It's been half a year since I've used the SE530, but I have a pretty decent recollection of it, and I have a bit of very specific info written down about it.  The sound stage was both really good and kind of bad on the SE530.  You had amazing pinpoint, crystal clear placement of sounds, and the squeaky clean notes of the SE530 allowed these sounds to exist in a specific spot without blurring or blending.  In this regard the SE530 was awesome and one of the best earphones I've used that performed this aspect of sound stage presentation.  The downside is that the SE530 had a lot of problems with actual placement of sounds.  I've listened to songs where the drummer sounded closer than the vocalist and guitarist in the song.  Even if you play around with specific audio tracks like the virtual barber, placement is just off.  I could half assume it's a frequency response issue since our minds do use tone and response shape to judge where it is, ex. in front or behind.  However, even when I EQed them they were still strange.  I can only hope the SE535 is better, but I just haven't read anything about specifically how it is different.  The second part is realism.  This was one great thing with the SE530 too.  It offered a very life like presentation, and so very few earphones are good about this.  I mean if I list the life-like earphones I've used it would be the SE530, OK1 buds, and the CK10.  That's it.  It's something I certainly would already expect from the SE535.  The only thing I didn't like about the SE530 was the lack of weight in the notes.  You had a high dynamic capability, pretty much more than anything else on the market, but the notes are so short that they just lack heft.  There was some hinderence to realism and presentation of details due to the lack of weight and articulation.  Has the SE535 changed much in this regard?

post #47 of 149

well ive yet to hear the 535 (and prob wont for a long time) but the 530 is still the one opf the very best things ive ever heard and is still my favourite too

post #48 of 149
 DWizard...those of us that have heard it are well aware of the sound differences.
 

1)  Why do you disregard the Shure reps exact words from the post you are quoting from.....
 
"Most of the acoustic performance change was a result of mechanical changes in the front volume of the acoustic network.  These changes created a slightly different shaping to the high end response, which results in a little more clarity and a bit more separation for a wider soundstage."
 
2) On top of that EVERY SINGLE OWNER that has purchased this product has agreed that they hear these exact differences.  In fact, if you search my posts BEFORE I received that info from Shure, I specifically said I thought there was more treble and a larger soundstage.  I previously ditched my SE530 due to lack of treble.  I guarantee whole-heartedly I could tell the difference between SE530/SE535 within 3 seconds.
 
3) This does not even count the terrific improvements on the cable and the comfort/ergonomics.  It lacks nothing and is a great product well worth $400

Edited by Spyro - 7/28/10 at 10:17am
post #49 of 149


 

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 DWizard...those of us that have heard it are well aware of the sound differences.
 

1)  Why do you disregard the Shure reps exact words from the post you are quoting from.....
 
"Most of the acoustic performance change was a result of mechanical changes in the front volume of the acoustic network.  These changes created a slightly different shaping to the high end response, which results in a little more clarity and a bit more separation for a wider soundstage."
 
2) On top of that EVERY SINGLE OWNER that has purchased this product has agreed that they hear these exact differences.  In fact, if you search my posts BEFORE I received that info from Shure, I specifically said I thought there was more treble and a larger soundstage.  I previously ditched my SE530 due to lack of treble.  I guarantee whole-heartedly I could tell the difference between SE530/SE535 within 3 seconds.
 
3) This does not even count the terrific improvements on the cable and the comfort/ergonomics.  It lacks nothing and is a great product well worth $400


To clarify, it was both you and I who commented on the wider sound stage and improved treble before Shure made the improvement claims.

post #50 of 149

Yes, noted.  I remember.  

 

Can't prove this without comparing against a new fresh set but the treble seemed to sharpen up after 25-30 hours.  It is REALLY clear.  Nothing like the veil of SE530.

I am not noticing anything else different (as far as burn-in is concerned).


Edited by Spyro - 7/28/10 at 12:10pm
post #51 of 149

My se535s are arriving on Friday. I just couldn't resist the ~$300 price tag, so I will be selling my se530s. Before I do, I will tell you guys as much as I can about my perceived differences between the two (despite the fact that I can hardly be called an audophile or an expert of any sort).

post #52 of 149
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Can't prove this without comparing against a new fresh set but the treble seemed to sharpen up after 25-30 hours.  It is REALLY clear. I am not noticing anything else different.


Maybe that's what I experienced last night. I also attribute some (if not most) of the sound quality increase to the various tips I was experimenting with. Between depth, seal, materials, etc. It's insane how different these can sound.

 

But when I got to the last eartip and began to listen, I said 'YES'. Then proceeded to play much of my test material (a smattering of Jazz, rock, classical, bluegrass). Zowie. When, I at the end of the evening I put on the 1975 Boulez - NYP recording of The Firebird complete 1910 (LP), it really knocked my socks off. It's the first time I actually thought that these might be keepers.

 

shane
 

post #53 of 149
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Yes, noted.  I remember.  

 


post #54 of 149


 

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Originally Posted by Spyro View Post
 
2) On top of that EVERY SINGLE OWNER that has purchased this product has agreed that they hear these exact differences.  In fact, if you search my posts BEFORE I received that info from Shure, I specifically said I thought there was more treble and a larger sound stage.  I previously ditched my SE530 due to lack of treble.  I guarantee whole-heartedly I could tell the difference between SE530/SE535 within 3 seconds.
 


Spyro you are not making sense.

Here's some of your comments before you emailed Shure.

 

 

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I was hoping for a bit more treble but I don't hear it.  If Shure tweaked the sound, I would like to know what is different about it?
...
Considering the price, it is very dissapointing that there is no change in SQ.  Quite the rip off actually...
...
Not trying to be mean or anything but I will say it may end up being the most grossly overpriced IEM out there...

 

 

Then you felt the need to email Shure's product manager to find out "what SQ changes I should be hearing."

 

Quote: Reply from Shure:
...we didn’t want to change it too much...
...In  a nutshell, the changes resulted in a slightly more defined high end, but the overall signature and balance is very close to its predecessor...

 

Only then do you start saying "A bigger soundstage and a bit more treble."
 
But now in this thread you are saying
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 I guarantee whole-heartedly I could tell the difference between SE530/SE535 within 3 seconds.

 

Do you have a bad memory or are you schizophrenic?

 

 

Then later you say this about a balanced armature IEM

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...but the treble seemed to sharpen up after 25-30 hours

 

Not everyone says they hear the difference many people say they sound the same.

Please try to be more objective.

post #55 of 149
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Spyro you are not making sense.

Here's some of your comments before you emailed Shure.

 

 

 

 

Then you felt the need to email Shure's product manager to find out "what SQ changes I should be hearing."

 

 

Only then do you start saying "A bigger soundstage and a bit more treble."
 
But now in this thread you are saying
Quote:
 I guarantee whole-heartedly I could tell the difference between SE530/SE535 within 3 seconds.

 

Do you have a bad memory or are you schizophrenic?

 

 

Then later you say this about a balanced armature IEM

 

Not everyone says they hear the difference many people say they sound the same.

Please try to be more objective.


Troll alert...

 

 

You HAVE NOT heard them and any comment you make on the SE535s serve ZERO purpose except to make you feel better. So please go listen to both and feel free to comment. Until then...it's just trollin'.

 

BTW, do you know the difference between initial impressions and those obtained over longer listening periods? Sheesh.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 7/29/10 at 5:49am
post #56 of 149

Maybe you should take your own advice about trying to be objective. You also have not heard the SE535 which gives you no basis on any of your conclusions about the SE535. troll is pretty successful however ;p

 

edit: actually didn't MacedonianHero have the SE535 and SE530 for a little bit before selling the SE530?


Edited by rawrster - 7/29/10 at 8:10am
post #57 of 149

Dwizard troll - Re-read the thread.  The chronology was as follows.

  1. Having not heard SE530's for over a year, initially out of the box I did not detect any changes based on memory (as you quoted me).
  2. As I listened for several days I did say "if I had to put my finger on something I think the soundstage may be larger and possibly more treble."
  3. MacedonianHero agreed that soundstage and treble were definitely improved and his ears may be better than mine in this regard since he had SE530 more recent than I.
  4. I replied saying, "great then it is not my imagination."
  5. THEN I emailed Shure.  And Shure confirmed the changes we thought we were hearing.
  6. After 2-3 weeks of listening and possible burn-in changes, MacedonianHero, myself and not most but EVERYONE that has purchased this IEM agrees about the changes.  HUGE changes?  Heck no, it didn't need much tweaking.

 

But you still don't believe this right?  SHURE is publicly lying, right?

 

This is classic Head-Fi.  Only a moron would argue about SQ over an IEM they have never heard.


Edited by Spyro - 7/29/10 at 8:04am
post #58 of 149


 

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Troll alert...

 

 

You HAVE NOT heard them and any comment you make on the SE535s serve ZERO purpose except to make you feel better. So please go listen to both and feel free to comment. Until then...it's just trollin'.

 

BTW, do you know the difference between initial impressions and those obtained over longer listening periods? Sheesh.


I wonder what post #30 will bring?

post #59 of 149
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I wonder what post #30 will bring?


Not much of anything...


 

post #60 of 149

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Never mind. Not worth it.

 

shane
 


Edited by shane55 - 7/29/10 at 8:38am
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