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post #16 of 27

Thanks for the comparisons Baka, your impressions are accurate and similar to what i know from these models. Imo, they are great models for different uses. 

And i find the M50's to have a good amount of bass for my tastes. 

post #17 of 27
Thread Starter 

I'm now sitting at my cardiologist's office wearing the D1001 because I need to hear when I'm called. IEMs or the M50 and 840 isolate too much for that. And they sound pretty good. All three really do have their different uses.

post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by skyflux View Post

The M50 is pretty bassy..

After buying the Super fi.5 and actually listened to them.. I realized just how bassy the M50 really were.


Yeah... that or how little bass the Super fi's have.

Two different realities. IEM's vs. Full Size Cans. Fit, seal, tips, ear canals... all contribute to the IEM sound. Pinna, fit, positioning, etc. contribute to full size sound. Comparing them can be a thorny proposition. (I also own both, BTW)

Also... have your M50's had 25-50 hours of break-in? The M50 bass does calm down quite a bit.

 

shane
 

post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by shane55 View Post




Yeah... that or how little bass the Super fi's have.

Two different realities. IEM's vs. Full Size Cans. Fit, seal, tips, ear canals... all contribute to the IEM sound. Pinna, fit, positioning, etc. contribute to full size sound. Comparing them can be a thorny proposition. (I also own both, BTW)

Also... have your M50's had 25-50 hours of break-in? The M50 bass does calm down quite a bit.

 

shane
 

 

The bass gets detailed and clearer. 

 

BTW, Shane, where's the doggy avatar? 
 


Edited by winma - 7/27/10 at 11:28am
post #20 of 27
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BTW, Shane, where's the doggy avatar? 
 


Wazzamattayou? You don't think McCoy Tyner is cute? 

I dunno... I just liked the look on his face with the cans... priceless.

Zeke will be back, but probably something more 'adult'.

 

http://assets.head-fi.org/d/d0/d06c509d_Zeke.JPG
 

But thanks for askin'.

 

As to the topic... yes I agree. With break-in, the M50 base becomes more detailed, clearer and slightly less overpowering.

 

shane


Edited by shane55 - 7/27/10 at 1:26pm
post #21 of 27

I would be very interesting in hearing your take on the D1001's once they've been recabled (as mine were)

The results are surprising. You should try it.

post #22 of 27

Ross:: Great review! Well stated...I can't believe I've missed this one until a month after you posted.

 

Great job (as usual).

post #23 of 27

I wear the SRH840 daily at work, and have never had a problem with them getting "hot" or feeling too heavy.

 

I use a CMOY amp with Bass Boost.

 

I like the sound, they are very accurate and have a very neutral sound.

post #24 of 27
Thread Starter 

Just a bump because it's been said that all that gets recommended is the M50. So here it is again.

post #25 of 27

I would say the Shure sound takes a bit of getting used to, but the M50s are probably so loved because you slip right into their sound like some well worn shoes.

 

I have the Shure 440s, but I did audition the 840s and decided I actually preferred the 440s, as they were the same size as a pair of Sony monitors I was replacing, plus I wanted something really accurate. Boy Howdy. I hated them for a long time but I kept burning them in, trying them with different sources, etc, and while the m50s that I have, seem to work on anything you plug them into, and often sound very similar on vary different sources, which is another reason why I think they are winners when you ask around, because like Windows 7, It's hard to find a situation where they can't be used. They offer the right amount of what people seem to be looking for, except, the 440s became my go-to headphones OVER the m50s, only when plugged straight into the pre outs of a little 5670 triode hybrid tube amp. With a good NOS tube, the 440s are some of the best sounding phones I own. They were always good with electronic music, abstract IDM. Think Autechre. The reason, I assumed, was their ability to pick detail out, and since IDM has no reference in the real world, the sound is neither right, nor is it wrong, and when needed these headphones could supply the necessary bass equal to that of the m50s.

 

Any guitar based band music, anything with percussion that involves metal (cymbols), the m50s never even needed to be broken in, they just sounded good, and even with electronic music they sounded good, never bad, or annoying like the Denons did with some genres. The m50s were not for classical music, the 440s could cut it ok, but the Denons sounded wonderful with anything recorded live. Stuff was in the room that was yards away from my head, it was freaky and fun, and if you like big band, jazz, like Dave Holland, or symphony music, the Denons are a fun headphone. Rock of all kinds goes to the m50s because when you want to rock, you don't want to think about so many things that typically go into getting a headphone like the shure 440 to sound good, but when it does, when you find the right source and the right mood for some of the right music, the 440s, and the 840s with their bigger driver, are going to really sound impressive. As far as hardware goes, I think you get more for your money with the 840s, but I think, in the long run, the m50s will probably get more use, a lot more use, if you are in the market for a closed can to use a lot. I am not talking a hobbiest that wants to add to a collection, I mean someone that is looking for something isolating, somewhat neutral, easy to drive, and doesn't take a lot of work to sound good. A primary can, something that is going to be worn most of the time.

 

If you already have heard them, and may even own them, don't assume the 440/840s won't offer something the m50s cannot give you. If you want to see if you can find your synergy with Shure, once you do, you will be glad you spent the money. TThe wires coming out the sides look interesting to me, and the design of the phone is all studio, the sound is all studio, but not a bad thing. Just know that they take an almost infinite amount of hours to break in, however, once they do, enjoy them.


I cannot rmember if I modded them by inserting a piece of Beyer foam under the pad cloth. I seem to remember doing something to tame the shrillness of the high end, but I may have just assumed the Shures need tubes to sound musical. So far, this has proven very true. The m50s seem to sound fine on anything, and the Denons are a big bright for some genres, but live music is LIVE, I mean spacious to the point of getting lost in the music. I have since tweaked my home system to give this ability to other phones and my work system gives it to the 440s, making my work day interesting when it sounds like people are saying things in the distance and I pop off an earcup and all is silent. I can do this at home with my m50s, but I would rather do it with other phones. I think the m50s found their use as the headphones I can always count on to sound well. Sometimes I don't know what I am plugging into, or sometimes I have a less than ideal situation or recording, and the m50s can turn a potential annoying situation into something very enjoyable, regardless of genre, they are the great equalizers. If I had one headphone to buy and no more, I would have to pick them, because I am not always going to have what I have where the other pairs sound as good as they do, and in fact, I sold the Denons, kept my modded Aurvanas because the mods put the Aurvanas over the Denons... The only difference is the ear cup shape and the Aurvanas have better earpads, IMO, for genres other than classical. It was a tough decision though, since they are almost exactly the same. The drivers are the most different. I chalk the brightness of the Shures to the drivers pointed right at your ears, no angle, like a grado, and using your standard clear plasticky driver, as the m50s do, but at an angle. I think the m50s had a bit more experience in their design. Shure will get it right, they are dipping their toes into this new line of headphones, so maybe the 450s or the 850s, whatever, will contain enough improvements to sound good on more setups with more music. The cellulose drivers of the Denons is not clear, it is whiteish, and has it's own sound, which is actually a great sound, but very hampered by it's cable. I think it's the only headphone I have had that I can say would really get something out of a recable. The drivers are able to produce that live natural sound that some headphones cannot do, with the complexity of symphony music. It isn't that the others cannot, it is the others do it without sounding, well, live. Other genres are different, but for now, that is really the only reason not to go the m50 route, if this is going to be your can of choice for the next long time. The 440/840s are just too demanding of a comgbination of things all going right at the same time, while the m50s just slip on your head and sound great with almost no burn in at all. I didn't even notice a burn in. The others significantly changed over the course of those crucial hours after owning. I would say the 840s are like the k271s. You definitely need the right combination of stuff and burnin time, plus musical preference, but if you do, damn do they sound good. Better than the m50s in these very specific conditions. Enough to buy them? Like I said, if you already own a bunch and want to try another go for it, but for a primary can, not yet ready for prime time. The k271s are, obviously the way they are and that is that, but who knows what Shure will do. Ether they sell very well as a studiophone, where they really would work well, because if you can get the Shures to sound good with your music, then most headphones are going to sound good, plus the build quality is, IMO, better than the m50s, but I do not see either falling apart. The m50s are a rare headphone that can make it in the studio, as your DJ can, or just kick back and plug into practically anything and hear good sound can. That doesn't happen often. Maybe they are the new generation's Porta Pro, who knows? It doesn't take away the merits of the others, it just makes the others more of a niche product, although the Denons won't let you down if they are the best you can find at best buy or frys. I would get the Denons over a Sony v6.


Edited by yashu - 10/10/10 at 11:36pm
post #26 of 27

^  I think you hit the nail on the head there regarding the M50.  

post #27 of 27
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lol, i thought it was a acronym like iem.
 

 


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