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post #61 of 268

if the treble quality is fine, then it would be ok as well..

so.. overall seems like the fx700 would be a good upgrade.

i'd hope to hear more a/b between these two if possible,

but thanks. :)

post #62 of 268
Thread Starter 

^ I don't consider the FX700 an upgrade to the e-Q7, just a different flavour at the same SQ level.

post #63 of 268
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

^ I don't consider the FX700 an upgrade to the e-Q7, just a different flavour at the same SQ level.


sry.. i meant from my woody2.

i know people around me who have eq7, but not fx700. so i wanted to know roughly how fx700 would be like.

anyways i already end up with ck10, since i'm not really sure if i will like the slight grain in the vocal (female ) that i hear in eq7.

I also found that ck10 is able to potray subtle details very softly but well defined, i did not notice it with the eq7 when i tried them both last time. but it's a bit hard to confirm because i do not own the ck10 that time.

btw.. since u mentioned in another thread, that fi-ba-ss is closer to ck10, im wondering if u will later add an extensive comparison to ck10 as well?

thx.

post #64 of 268
Thread Starter 

Oops, forgot to answer this one - ok, better late than never:

I'm afraid I won't be able to make an extensive comparison with to CK10, because I've given the CK10 to a friend. But I've compared these two when I still had them and think the FI-BA-SS sound like a crossbreed of the e-Q7 and CK10, the highs very similar to the CK10, the mids in between and the bass more like the e-Q7. They have not even the slightest grain and can render absolutely gorgeous female vocals, but need a good source and recording because they are extremely revealing phones.

 

Overall I'm still awestruck by the level of refinement and microdetail on the FI-BA-SS, but I wouldn't recommend getting these as one's sole top-tier IEMs. Like an overbred racehorse they can be utterly mesmerizing but also very fickle. With excellent recordings like TELDEC's Vaughan Williams / Sea Symphony or Diana Krall / Quiet Nights nothing else I've heard can hold a candle to them. But some lesser quality albums that don't even sound so bad on an e-Q7 or FX700 turn out almost unlistenable on the FADs.

post #65 of 268

james- 

Do you happen to know of a frequency graph for the SM3's? I can't recall ever seeing one yet. 

post #66 of 268

Has this already been posted here? - http://sonove.angry.jp/FinalAudioDesign_FI_BA_SS.html

Google translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsonove.angry.jp%2FFinalAudioDesign_FI_BA_SS.html&sl=auto&tl=en

 

Seems the guy thinks it's a single pole armature like in the e-Q7, which would explain the air vents. And which would make the explosion drawing from earlier on in this thread more confusing, since it showed a traditional armature.


Edited by dfkt - 8/12/10 at 1:39pm
post #67 of 268

So a moving armature, makes sense.

 

BTW, that exploded drawing looked like a typical BS rendering.

post #68 of 268
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Originally Posted by cn11 View Post

james- 

Do you happen to know of a frequency graph for the SM3's? I can't recall ever seeing one yet. 


Nope, never seen one either.
 

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Originally Posted by dfkt View Post

Has this already been posted here? - http://sonove.angry.jp/FinalAudioDesign_FI_BA_SS.html

Google translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsonove.angry.jp%2FFinalAudioDesign_FI_BA_SS.html&sl=auto&tl=en

 

Seems the guy thinks it's a single pole armature like in the e-Q7, which would explain the air vents. And which would make the explosion drawing from earlier on in this thread more confusing, since it showed a traditional armature.


I haven't seen it before, but I share this guy's opinion because their bass is closer to the e-Q7's than to any BA's I know.

post #69 of 268


ouch.. u just struck home...

ck10 highs + balance between ck10/eq7 mids + eq7 lows... nuuu... seems like a winner..

sounds like a more refined se535, i think 535 vocals r annoyingly forward..

 

neways.. back to my interests in w00ds (safer wallet phew).. i am very impressed with my ck10 since it provided a 3d soundstage similar to what headphone does, potraying subtle notes and strong notes as they should.

for me, soundstage width isnt really a concern since most good iems already have that, it is the depth and ceiling that matters more, how deep sound can go, how black is the background, how tall the sound ceiling is, and how low the floor can go downwards..

 

Will the fx700 and eq7 be able to potray this well?

i will try to compare myself later this weekend, but i'll need some opinions to see if im just hoping rather than hearing properly.

 

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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

Oops, forgot to answer this one - ok, better late than never:

I'm afraid I won't be able to make an extensive comparison with to CK10, because I've given the CK10 to a friend. But I've compared these two when I still had them and think the FI-BA-SS sound like a crossbreed of the e-Q7 and CK10, the highs very similar to the CK10, the mids in between and the bass more like the e-Q7. They have not even the slightest grain and can render absolutely gorgeous female vocals, but need a good source and recording because they are extremely revealing phones.

 

Overall I'm still awestruck by the level of refinement and microdetail on the FI-BA-SS, but I wouldn't recommend getting these as one's sole top-tier IEMs. Like an overbred racehorse they can be utterly mesmerizing but also very fickle. With excellent recordings like TELDEC's Vaughan Williams / Sea Symphony or Diana Krall / Quiet Nights nothing else I've heard can hold a candle to them. But some lesser quality albums that don't even sound so bad on an e-Q7 or FX700 turn out almost unlistenable on the FADs.

post #70 of 268

There are a couple things I'd like to know about these. How big are the housings? You do mention that it is tiny but judging from the pics it looks similar to the e-Q7 size which tell me that pictures alone can only tell so much. I had some issues with e-Q7 in long listening sessions due to soreness. I think the maximum diameter of the e-Q7 is a bit past my limit for what I can stick in my ears for a universal earphone. Also how's are cymbals reproduced? I've found lots of earphones unable to reproduce cymbals such as crash and ride and have the proper decay in them which includes some of my favorite earphones as well.

 

For some reason I want to get these even though they are a bit expensive..

post #71 of 268
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There are a couple things I'd like to know about these. How big are the housings? You do mention that it is tiny but judging from the pics it looks similar to the e-Q7 size which tell me that pictures alone can only tell so much. I had some issues with e-Q7 in long listening sessions due to soreness. I think the maximum diameter of the e-Q7 is a bit past my limit for what I can stick in my ears for a universal earphone. Also how's are cymbals reproduced? I've found lots of earphones unable to reproduce cymbals such as crash and ride and have the proper decay in them which includes some of my favorite earphones as well.

 

For some reason I want to get these even though they are a bit expensive..


http://sonove.angry.jp/FinalAudioDesign_FI_BA_SS.html

 

If you scroll down to the third picture, you will see that the FI-BA-SS is significantly smaller than the e-Q7.

post #72 of 268

I would like to know what kind of IEM is the one shows on Anaxilus's avatar... Looks like golden bullet. 

post #73 of 268
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Originally Posted by Carsaadi View Post

I would like to know what kind of IEM is the one shows on Anaxilus's avatar... Looks like golden bullet. 


http://munitio.com/products-page/earphones/

 

A bit of Googling skills go a long way.

post #74 of 268
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by DaEMoNteNTAcLe View Post

for me, soundstage width isnt really a concern since most good iems already have that, it is the depth and ceiling that matters more, how deep sound can go, how black is the background, how tall the sound ceiling is, and how low the floor can go downwards..

 

Will the fx700 and eq7 be able to potray this well?

i will try to compare myself later this weekend, but i'll need some opinions to see if im just hoping rather than hearing properly.


Both my FX700 and e-Q7 are currently lent out to dfkt, so maybe he can chime in here. From memory the FX700 are the most 3-dimensional sounding of my IEMs, but for some reason I'm not very good at judging soundstage height.
 

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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

There are a couple things I'd like to know about these. How big are the housings? You do mention that it is tiny but judging from the pics it looks similar to the e-Q7 size which tell me that pictures alone can only tell so much. I had some issues with e-Q7 in long listening sessions due to soreness. I think the maximum diameter of the e-Q7 is a bit past my limit for what I can stick in my ears for a universal earphone. Also how's are cymbals reproduced? I've found lots of earphones unable to reproduce cymbals such as crash and ride and have the proper decay in them which includes some of my favorite earphones as well.

 

For some reason I want to get these even though they are a bit expensive..


I think koonhua's link shows a better size comparison, my pic was shot from an angle. As for soreness, there is indeed some risk because of their weight, not their size. Especially when wearing them while walking or running there's more than average strain on the outer ear canal.

 

Concerning cymbals, I believe they sound excellent, but I'm by no means an expert. I've only just looked up "crash and ride cymbals" for the first time, but if you can name some test tunes and tell me what to look for, I'll try to do my best.

post #75 of 268

James444,

You are welcome!,  read your fabulous comparison between those 4 beast. Quite impressive indeed.

I could share with you same trends with classical music, Yet never heard the sea symphony you are talking about. I will do it now.

BTW, the new FAD model BA driver Heaven S earphones are in the same price range with the e-Q7. Wondering how much in common those two phones possess?  perhaps now you can review this Heaven S as well, would love to hear your opinion for sure, not that you really need another set of BA driver IEM, dont you?

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