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By the way James, do you have the Skullcandy Gel tips? Have you tried them with the BA-SS?
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Let's face it, we all strive for the better, that's the reason why you've bought your FX500 and didn't stick to your Xears. Now put yourself in my place, I've been through the SF5 pro, CK10, SE530, CK100 and SM3, and none of these multi-driver armatures gave me the transparency and coherence of an e-Q7. With some of them, like the CK100, I could clearly tell the different characteristics of their drivers (dry bass, liquid treble), that made them sound incoherent and more technical than musical.

 

So, assuming you're in the same situation and had $1000 to spend on an upgrade, would you go for a top end custom, which are uniformly multi-driver armatures, or for something like the FI-BA-SS instead? I know mine is a minority position, but in my personal universe the FI-BA-SS make perfect sense. smile_phones.gif


I do understand your take on it and whatever gets you going is all that matters. As for coherency I think the 1964-T is one of the best multi driver BA I've heard which is one of the reasons I like them so much. You definitely are a minority in this not getting customs to upgrade but it's not a bad position to be in. As a matter of fact I like your position on that right about now etysmile.gif

 



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@ average_joe. I like your analogy smily_headphones1.gif Yes the BA-SS is extremely seductive! By the way, like I have said earlier, I do not find them to have a sizzling treble - they sound that way only if you do not have a perfect fit or are not using the right tips for your ears. I did take me a lot of trial and error before I found the perfect tips and fit. But now the treble is smooth, solid, very extended but definitely not peaky. If you still have them, maybe you could try different tips?


average_joe has not posted here :P I think I have a pretty good fit and tried a couple of tips and heard a bit of a hot treble. It's not as bad as some other earphones I've heard but still some up there right now. It may also have something to do what I'm comparing them with.

 


Edited by rawrster - 3/20/11 at 5:45am
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Yep, forgot to mention it. My relationship with him is such that he borrows my FADs and tears them to shreds. Oh well I don't mind, I've seen worse... Lol tongue.gif (J/J)



Hey, that was just with the absurd FAD dynamic driver ear-silos/tanks/counterweights, not with their armature IEMs. ;)

 

The BA-SS and BA-SB sure sound nice to my ears. I don't understand the hubbub about them being the 'best ever', which they certainly aren't for my taste, but they are indeed very good/dynamic/clear sounding.

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... There simply is no other Universal IEM that comes close; possibly no Custom either! I have spent the past couple of months extensively auditioning and re-auditioning almost every top-end Universal and Custom IEM...


Sorry if I missed something here but, were all those customs you've tried full customs (ie custom made for your ears only) or universal demo units of said customs? If the latter is the case, I think you should make that very clear as there may well be significant differences in SQ between a custom IEM proper and a demo unit.

 

Forgive me for saying this but I honestly think your 'enthusiasm' for the BA-SS borders on fanboyism. Of course I haven't heard the BA-SS and I'm sure it's a fine IEM but I can't help feeling some of your comments are OTT.

 

EDIT: I see that only later did you clarify they were indeed demo units. My overall impressions of your posts still stand, though.


Edited by music_4321 - 3/20/11 at 6:25am
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The 1964-T is like your wife or girlfriend that you've known for a while. She takes care of your needed. The BA-SS is that hot sexy girl you're leaving the club with.


I like your analogy, since it also explains the price difference. tongue.gif



The analogy was first used on the W4 thread by somebody else a few weeks ago, as far as I know, though worded slightly differently.


Edited by music_4321 - 3/20/11 at 6:35am
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average_joe has not posted here :P

Sorry rawrster, I got my threads and names mIxed up - I was active on several threads simultaneously smily_headphones1.gif
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Forgive me for saying this but I honestly think your 'enthusiasm' for the BA-SS borders on fanboyism. Of course I haven't heard the BA-SS and I'm sure it's a fine IEM but I can't help feeling some of your comments are OTT.

No offence taken, but if you could hear what I am hearing through the BA-SS, I think your opinion would be very different indeed! But since you have not heard the BA-SS, I won't take your comments seriously. Like I said earlier, over the last couple months I have heard almost every top end IEM carefully and have not found anything that comes close to the BA-SS's combination of strengths. Had I found something better, I would certainly have bought them!

By the way, I do like the Final Audio 'family' sound very much. I think their earphones have something very right about them- a very open, free sound; extremely articulate and dynamic. I value those charactersitiscs a lot.
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... But since you have not heard the BA-SS, I won't take your comments seriously...


And we are supposed to take your comments seriously after some of the sweeping statements you've made?

 

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I have a feeling that someone stepped on someone's toes with some comments in the other thread... ph34r.gif

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^ Ahhh now I get it... Lol smily_headphones1.gif
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I can see these earphones being the final destiny for some people. It suits a particular signature and imo james444 was spot on when he tried to deceive me and my wallet in this review I believe when he mentioned something about the e-Q7 and CK10.

 

@firoze, if you consider it the best for you after trying all of those other gear then you may be lucky and have ended your search. The FI-BA-SS is not that for me but I can appreciate the good things about it and what it does well it does very well. That's not to say it is perfect but the positives far outweigh the negatives from what I'm hearing so far.

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I can see these earphones being the final destiny for some people.

 

Yes, that final destination likely being a coffin after getting a heart attack when they find out the price of this universal IEM that should at the very least come with a better cable and strain relief.
 

 


Edited by music_4321 - 3/20/11 at 4:42pm
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I can see these earphones being the final destiny for some people. It suits a particular signature and imo james444 was spot on when he tried to deceive me and my wallet in this review I believe when he mentioned something about the e-Q7 and CK10.

 

The final destiny... well, that remains to be seen. But they're without a doubt the best armature based IEMs I've heard so far. As for being spot-on and trying to deceive you, that's quite a strange logic in my book - either I was spot-on, or I was trying to deceive you, don't you think so? wink.gif  Anyway, glad you like them so far, happy listening...

 

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... the price of this universal IEM that should at the very least come with a better cable and strain relief.


Agreed, but compared to the atrocious FAD's 1601 cloth cable even these look halfway decent. I'm pretty fond of FAD's designs, because they strike a chord with me, but they shouldn't priorize design over function so much. Those long steel strain reliefs don't really serve a useful purpose, yet they make getting a deep seal harder than necessary. And that's just one example, next being laser etched L/R markers that you can hardly see in bright sunlight, and so on. They really should hire someone to help them with usability, or hand out preproduction samples to a few experienced people (FAD, are you listening? ksc75smile.gif).


Edited by james444 - 3/20/11 at 9:37pm
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The final destiny... well, that remains to be seen. But they're without a doubt the best armature based IEMs I've heard so far. As for being spot-on and trying to deceive you, that's quite a strange logic in my book - either I was spot-on, or I was trying to deceive you, don't you think so? wink.gif  Anyway, glad you like them so far, happy listening...

 

My logic is undeniable. However I did mention my wallet as well..

 

I don't see much use for the metal strain relief either, thin cable or overall build quality outside of the steel housing which will take quite a bit of effort to break I would imagine.
 

 

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@firoze, if you consider it the best for you after trying all of those other gear then you may be lucky and have ended your search. The FI-BA-SS is not that for me but I can appreciate the good things about it and what it does well it does very well. That's not to say it is perfect but the positives far outweigh the negatives from what I'm hearing so far.



Very true rawrster, the BA-SS is far from perfect, just as everything in Audio in general is far from perfect. I have no doubt that sooner rather than later, along will come the another great IEM which will outclass it comprehensively. But for the moment, its the best earphone for me and I am content with that! :)

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