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Have you looked into Ray's new F35 Lightning? It is due out anytime. The only warning is it has no single ended output for headphones only the RSS balanced.

I did but I wanna use it sometimes with something a SE output for some of my headphone. With my CIEM will be balanced.

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Hey guys,

out of curiosity, any of you running Grados with the CLAS/SR-71B combo? I ask as to what gain setting sounds the best with the RS1's. Mine are not broken in yet, as they are new. Also have not send them for balancing yet (very expensive!). But just curious if mid setting yields better results than low for any of you.
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I use the high setting for this combo.
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What are some of benifits of going balanced output? Im having my toxic silver poison reterminated to balanced and was wondering what I can expect to hear from doing so.
post #1055 of 1183
High gain for Grados!?!?!?!?!
WOW, i guess i will try that, sir. Never thought about it before. I sort of envisioned the high to be just for orthos.
Edited by Duartisimo - 9/4/13 at 9:16am
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What are some of benifits of going balanced output? Im having my toxic silver poison reterminated to balanced and was wondering what I can expect to hear from doing so.

 



From what I've read, they open up headphones that are a bit "closed-in", such as the RS1's. For headphones that are known to have a big soundstage, they wont offer much improvement.

Again, that is what i have read. My reasoning for going balanced is because the Grado cable is too long and inflexible for portable use and by re-cabling i might as well just put the RSA plug in too, as the combo is basically my portable/reference/end-game/only rig. I do not plan on getting anything else anytime soon.

Also, i hate having to use the mini plug adapter. Specially for high-end headphones, i think they are very fragile.
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Originally Posted by Mooses9 View Post

What are some of benifits of going balanced output? Im having my toxic silver poison reterminated to balanced and was wondering what I can expect to hear from doing so.

 



From what I've read, they open up headphones that are a bit "closed-in", such as the RS1's. For headphones that are known to have a big soundstage, they wont offer much improvement.

Again, that is what i have read. My reasoning for going balanced is because the Grado cable is too long and inflexible for portable use and by re-cabling i might as well just put the RSA plug in too, as the combo is basically my portable/reference/end-game/only rig. I do not plan on getting anything else anytime soon.

Also, i hate having to use the mini plug adapter. Specially for high-end headphones, i think they are very fragile.

I am using iem's with the 71_b specifically the westone 4r.

Uve read there is a larger voltage swing with balanced.and that the volume pot was louder also?
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I am using iem's with the 71_b specifically the westone 4r.



Uve read there is a larger voltage swing with balanced.and that the volume pot was louder also?

 


Yes, that is true.
Will have to see if it makes any difference when i get my headphones balanced. I am tempted to purchase the 1964 Ears V6 customs, but as IEMs are usually very sensitive i do not see how much the sound can be improved as opposed to hearing them straight out of my iPod.
post #1059 of 1183
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Hey guys,

out of curiosity, any of you running Grados with the CLAS/SR-71B combo? I ask as to what gain setting sounds the best with the RS1's. Mine are not broken in yet, as they are new. Also have not send them for balancing yet (very expensive!). But just curious if mid setting yields better results than low for any of you.

 

I am using the SR71B with my RS-1's on Medium Gain.  Going balanced does wonderful things for the RS-1's and my HF-2's.  Better soundstage, slightly better bass, and most noticeably a great improvement in instrument separation and placement.

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I am using the SR71B with my RS-1's on Medium Gain.  Going balanced does wonderful things for the RS-1's and my HF-2's.  Better soundstage, slightly better bass, and most noticeably a great improvement in instrument separation and placement.

That is exactly what I'm expecting from going balanced. Thank you for corroborating!

Where did you send your Grados for re-cabling? Most sites are a bit expensive. Norse Audio seemed to have good prices, but i think they're not operating anymore.

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the SR71-B will definitly benifit ANY in ear monitor, weather it be sensative or non sensative iem's

 

there is no comparing a ipod output to the sound quality output of the SR71-B 

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the SR71-B will definitly benifit ANY in ear monitor, weather it be sensative or non sensative iem's

 

there is no comparing a ipod output to the sound quality output of the SR71-B 

balanced connection or SE? THAT SORT OF THING ALWAYS CONFUSES ME. If i have balanced connectivity from the CLAS to the SR-71-B and hear from the SE out, is my signal balanced? would i need the IEMs to be re-cabled? Interested in one of the 1964 ears models.

 

If a balanced plug is always the way to go, why bother with the SE out? that's another issue, i guess. Mr. Samuels must have his reasons.


Edited by Duartisimo - 9/5/13 at 11:39am
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well you have to take into consideration a couple things,

 

1. when the 71b came out not alot of companies were doing the balanced thing. it just recently became a little more popular and more companies are providing both balanced and single ended amps and dacs.

 

2. given the fact that it wasnt a really popular output or input cable companies werent generally making a cable with a balanced plug, its was more or less DIY or boutique cable companies like chris himself, teds headfood, whiplash, toxic ect ect. so one wouldnt exactly be able to widely buy a balanced headphone cable it would more or less needed to be made......so adding in a single ended allows those whom arent interested in buying very expensive cables to just use their stock cable with the amp. makes alot of sense IMO.

 

in my opinion BOTH single and balanced, if you take a pair of decent IEMS and you connect them straight into the ipod, and then take those same iems and plug them into a lod out to the 71b and headphones into the 71b there is a MAJOR difference..hell ive noticed the differnces on amps such as the c5 and the c421 and alo audio rx mk2, and those amps dont have near the capabilities of the sr71-b

 

good headphones and good iems will sound good reguardless HOWEVER, its only when you upgrade your interconnects and cables and then add a amp and DAC then you really start seeing the difference.

 

when you use a DAC/71-B/interconnects/Upgrade cable and your iems, the ipod then just become a media carrying  device, you are completely bypassing the ipod all together no internal amp no internal dac, no internal headphone jack ect. just a media carrying storage device more or less.

 

if you use your headphones or iem wqith a balanced plug, you are getting balanced output from the amplifier,

 

you can still use balanced headphone output with SE input with the CLAS, thats what i plan on doing until i make a decision to go with the -db or not.

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That is exactly what I'm expecting from going balanced. Thank you for corroborating!

Where did you send your Grados for re-cabling? Most sites are a bit expensive. Norse Audio seemed to have good prices, but i think they're not operating anymore.

 

My Grados are not recabled. They both are the stock cable with a min-xlr connector added on.  From there I use a mini-xlr to sr71b adapter cable made by Moon Audio.

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i must say, single ended, the SR71-B didnt REALLY! impress me. 

 

i sent my cable off to Ted's Headfood and had my Toxic Silver Poison Cable terminated to RSA Balanced.

 

my opinion is completely changed!

 

the mids are crystal clear, highs are crystal clear, WIDE soundstage, you get the feeling of alow of space between everything, tons of instrument separation, the w4r have great instrument separation but the 71-b takes it farther and gives breadth between the instruments, vocals are crisp and clear both male and female.. one of the biggest thing i think with balanced output is the imaging you get, all the instruments are in their place, everything seems to have its own place, its own space.

 

another thing i noticed is the depth and the width of decay of vocals and instruements

 

one thing i find minor is that with the balanced output the bass tends to follow the track more so than single ended where single ended seemed to slightly beef up the bass in the track, balanced seems to be like, if theres bass theres bass, if theirs not one could think that the sound might be slightly thin. however depending on the track say if its a bass heavy track the bass is tight, very controlled deep and impactful.....its just not a amp that is going to put a emphasis where there isnt one.......basicly it has transparency to the track.

 

i was very weary of going balanced esp with a expensive cable, but definitly feel like it was worth it, i was thinking of selling the 71-b but NOW i see what all the fuss is about.

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