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Gaming roundup: Beyerdynamic DT150 vs. DT250 vs. DT770pro.

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

I just can't decide. You guys brought me into this pain, now you have to help me out

 

First thing to say, my main interest here (i didn't want to put it in the thread tittle fearing nobody would come in) is PC gaming.

 

I have read loads of opinions about the Beyerdynamic DT770 in the gaming threads and they seem great, but i have been recommended the DT150 and DT250 over them. The problem is that these 2 are barely mentioned in the gaming threads, so i'd like to hear some opinions and comparisons of the three, gaming wise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, if you have made it to this point, let me type down some considerations:

 

 

 

What i'm looking for:

 

My main interest is immersive PC gaming, but i also play a lot of multiplayer FPSs. I prefer immersion and having fun over cheating in multiplayer, so i want the games to sound real, fun and impresive but i also want a good audio positioning to be present (what this means is no, i do not want the ATH AD700 so i can hear only footsteps to "pwn n000bzs" but no explosions and rockets flyng by).

 

So long story short, i want all games to sound REALLY atmospheric while remaining decently competitive in multiplayer.

 

 

* A decent performance in movies and music would be also welcome.

I know headphones in these forums are considered very specialized, but for someone as me, new into this madness you call audiophilia, a pair of 150€ headphones are expected to be mindblowing in every aspect, at least for my "untrained-in-audio-stuff" mind. I guess the overall better headphone should win here (overall meaning gaming, gaming, gaming, music and movies).

 

* Also, how does audio positioning  particularly compare in these 3 cans?

 

 

 

Price:

 

- DT150 (250ohm) - 120€

- DT770pro (80ohm) - 129€

- DT770pro (250ohm) - 129€

- DT250 (80ohm) - 145€

- DT250 (250ohm) - 135€

 

* I see higher impedance is usually cheaper, but it also carries the need of purchasing an amplifier and i dont plan (at least not for now) on buying any amplifier more expensive than, lets say, around 30€.

 

 

 

Durability

 

Most of the headphones i have had before have had problems in the cables and the soldered joints between the cables and the earphone. It's true that they were cheap and i dont' treat them quite carefully (i move often), but if they are going to cost me 150 euros, a solid build quality would be quite welcome. For that matter, the dt150 and dt250 having detachable cables (meaning that i can replace them if they break) is a detail to be taken into consideration, althought not a primary decision-making variable.

 

 

Confort:

 

Most people say that the 150s sound a lot better than the other two, but they also say they are a lot more uncomfortable. I plan to wear them in long sessions, so if the difference in audio is not that big (specially if its a matter of sound taste and not sound quality) i'd like to have some good and confy headphones instead having to take them off constantly.

 

 

Independence:

 

Right now i only have budget to buy the headphones, and maybe (only if needed) a really cheap amplifier. I'll be pluging them in my PC motherboard (aka onboard soundcard). If i recall correctly its an Asus P5Q SE. I don't plan on buying a soundcard or a good amplifier in a near future because those would cost around 150€ each if i am correct.

 

That in principle leaves out the DT150 and the 250ohm versions of the others, but since those are a bit cheaper than the 80ohm versions, i could consider buying a 250ohm headphone and investing the price difference in an amp (althought i will loose the option of connecting the headphones to smaller devices), but only it its REALLY worth it.

 

 

 

 

So what are your opinions? As said, i'm specially interested about their performance in games.

 

Thanks in advance for the replies.


Edited by nicolasete - 7/15/10 at 8:01pm
post #2 of 18

i would love to know this too as i do not have any experience with these cans :)

 

dt880 and dt990 600 ohms are good for gaming and movies though, with the dt990 probably being a bit better...

post #3 of 18

I don't like the stock ear pads DT150 come with but if you buy the velour ear pads from DT100 then they will be much more comfortable and sound better.
 

Didn't like the DT770 cus it was too much bass for gaming but it was comfortable. The DT250 was good with a balance of both sound but comfort was bad for me even extending the headband at max. It was too small for me and it would irritate me after a few minutes.

 

Currently i use the DT150 for online FPS like COD4 and BFBC2. (yes i have played MW2 and no i don't like it).


Edited by phandrew - 7/16/10 at 5:21pm
post #4 of 18

Since your main priorities are immersive gaming and movies, I would definitely go with the Beyer DT770 Pro, if you can amp them, better still.

post #5 of 18

My DT150 are my go-to gaming headphones.  Just finished Mass Effect 2 with them last night.

 

They sound great for games.  They have deep bass that will really let you feel the explosions, but they have the clarity in the mid and upper ranges to bring out the details, without getting harsh (as the pro 770 can at times)

 

They also have a surprisingly wide soundstage, and I find they are quite good for pinpointing.  Not as good as some of the open cans, for sure, but good enough for competitive or friendly play.  If they are the cheapest on your list, they are the ones to get.

 

Oh, they are also quite good for music and movies, too.

post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 

Well, when i have probably finished reading all of the threads in wich all of these three are mentioned, i think the DT-150 are the winners.

 

So the next step now is... what do i have to buy to make these work ¬¬

 

Ideally i'd like to just plug them into my pc motherboard... but since they are 250ohms i presume i need something else... and i really doubt the connector fits in the small standard audio connectors the motherboard has.

 

 

So what would you recommend? cheap amplifier? cheap soundcard? nothing? any particular model?

post #7 of 18

It will plug in just fine.  You won't get the best quality from them that way, but it will certainly work.

 

When you want to upgrade, I would get a Soundblaster X-Fi (make sure it's one of the real ones that has hardware acceleration).  My best gaming setup is a creative X-Fi->optical connection->Yamaha Home Theatre Receiver.  It sound great.

 

If you need some sort of cheap option, get a cheap USB soundcard/DAC/AMP, which will give you a big quality boost.

 

It's worth toddling over to the computer audio section and get some advice from gamers in there.

post #8 of 18

DT250/250 isn't worth it. It performs just the same as the 80ohm, but is harder to drive. Some will say the 250ohm is better at this and that with music, but I've not heard a lick of difference -  even if true, it's not enough to justify paying for an amp to get it. And certainly no gain for gaming.

post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by joelpearce View Post

It's worth toddling over to the computer audio section and get some advice from gamers in there.


Just came back, they were helpful there, but they confirmed my fears about me needing to spend another 500 euros just to be able to hear the DT150.

 

They certainly seem the best option, but taking into account ill be plugging them directly into my onboard audio makes me feel like spending 120€ on something that is not going to sound is a waste.

 

 

So that opens new questions about the 80ohm ones:

 

1) How does the DT250 positioning compare to the other 2?

2) I know the DT250 sound quality is lower than the DT150, but its also worst than the DT770¿

3) Is the DT770 bass really that bad?

4) Is it overkill (aka a COMPLETE waste) to plug the DT150 directly into the pc onboard sound? (Realtek HD audio) Is it reallt THAT bad?

5) Is there any low impedance cheap headphones that will give me the sound quality and immersion the DT150 are supposed to bring?

 

 

* extra comparative question, just to make up my mind: Will a 250ohm headphones as the DT150 (120€) sound better plugged directly in the motherboard onboard audio than a 32ohm headphones (ie my 35€ Senn. HD62TV) wich aparently need a lot less power to sound?

post #10 of 18

Meh.

 

Grab yourself a Nuforce Udac or similar little usb jobbie.  You won't get the best possible positional audio, but they will drive the DT150 just fine, and games sound fine on it.

 

Neither of the others will do any better or worse out of the Realtek.

post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by maruzen View Post

i would love to know this too as i do not have any experience with these cans :)

 

dt880 and dt990 600 ohms are good for gaming and movies though, with the dt990 probably being a bit better...


i can vouch for the DT990/ 250 ohms. Excellent for PC gaming, very immersive, detailed, with plenty of bass   ... but need amping.

 

post #12 of 18

If you're not gonna get a DAC/AMP that's more than 200$, you better save your money and get some bargain heaphones like the KSC75, portapro,  PX100, etc. You can't pull serious audio out of realtek onboard chips.

 

Tried uDAC for a while but I'm not a fan.


Edited by jp_zer0 - 7/18/10 at 7:58am
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jp_zer0 View Post

If you're not gonna get a DAC/AMP that's more than 200$, you better save your money and get some bargain heaphones like the KSC75, portapro,  PX100, etc. You can't pull serious audio out of realtek onboard chips.

 

I think that pretty much sumarizes the whole thing.

 

Its a pity because after a year reading these forums, the Beyer DT150 seemed to be what i was looking for for gaming immersion and overall good performance in music and movies.

 

The whole thing is a lot more expensive that i thought it would be.
 

post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 

Is there maybe another low impedance headphone options to suit my immersive yet competitive gaming tastes? Something i could succesfully (more or less succesfully) use into my onboard audio until i get the coins to upgrade to an average soundcard or something?

 

I'd certainly look into the AD700 but the lack of bass is just a big drawback for gaming and moviewatching with immersion or to suit my musical tastes when it comes to groups like massive attack or portisthead, or even cuban music and jazz.

 

 

 

*I have some kind of obstinacy for Beyerdynamic, maybe Sennheiser, but any other option would also be nice if not posible.

 

Thanks in advance.

 


Edited by nicolasete - 7/19/10 at 10:56am
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by nicolasete View Post



 

I think that pretty much sumarizes the whole thing.

 

Its a pity because after a year reading these forums, the Beyer DT150 seemed to be what i was looking for for gaming immersion and overall good performance in music and movies.

 

The whole thing is a lot more expensive that i thought it would be.
 


I can drive my DT-150's (250 ohm) just fine out of my iPhone - not saying that the subjectively sound as good as out of a nice amplifier, but more than adequate. I don't have internal mobo sound installed so I can't discuss how they sound out of it. Of course, you can also get an 80 ohm, which is even easier to drive.

 

I would not get a cheap headphone like a porta-pro just because of fear of your motherboard's sound being that bad. There's a chance it really is that bad, and there's also a chance it's decent - I can't say. But especially since you can always get something like a uDAC there's really nothing to lose buying a decent set of phones - worst case you just spend a little more down the road.

 

If you look around, you'll see threads from people saying they didn't find that amplification and D/A conversion made much of a difference with their setups. If you're lucky, you'll be happy with the 80 ohm 150's straight out of your soundcard.

 

By the way, I do think the 150's are miles better than the 770's. The 770's have an extreme v-curved frequency response that's alright for games but can be irritating for music. I haven't heard the 250's so I can't comment on them, but the 150's are some of the most neutral, well-rounded headphones you can get in their price range. They're rolled off on the bass end, say below 50 hz or so, and they're not particularly "fast," but you'll only notice that in comparison with a far more expensive pair of 'phones.

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