K-702 is better than Beyer T1 in a number of ways… - Page 3

interesting thread! :)

maybe someday i can do this comparison too...

Anythings possible with something as subjective as sound. I guess I'll save my, the DT48 is the greatest headphone ever for another time.. So people can cool off a bit..

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Originally Posted by bhanja_trinanjan 

Acix…. Where are you? I cannot believe this but I have to admit: My Beyer T1 arrived yesterday and my K-702 betters them in a number of ways. I am too tired to elaborate and I will surely write a detailed review… The Beyer has its strengths… but to say that the T1 is better than the K-702 is massive hyperbole.

I like my K702.

I love/hate my HD800.

I love my T1.

Trinanjan,

If it's any consolation to you, we agree on many observational counts:

I, too, would argue that the T1's sound staging is not on par with the K501, nor their bass (or treble) on par with the DT880/2003 or 600.  I found the T1's midrange ultimately thin and tipped upwards, compared to the K501 (my midrange reference).  Like you, I found the T1's treble presentation more "dense" (as you put it) than transparent.

My T1 were promptly sold one month and about 300+ hours after I originally acquired them, after extensive a/b-ing with the DT880/600 and K501.  Yes, I tried hard to like them, and feel that I gave them a fair shot, but ultimately they were not to my liking.

As we speak, I am awaiting the return of my DT880/600 after UP-OCC re-cabling.  I preferred the stock DT880/600 to the T1, and am quite confident that I will like the UP-OCC re-cabled DT880/600 even more!

Hang in there!  There are others who have come to the same conclusion that you are/have.

PAB

Found T1's mid "thin" ?  i guess your amp lack enough currents to T1.

Compare My DT990, T1 really demanded more currents to make it's mid sound lush and smooth. That's somehow strange because T1's rather high impedance.

Voltage like this headhone's bone, and currents is the fresh and blood.

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Originally Posted by Skylab  
" There again, I can't agree, which is only to say there is no absolute truth there. I didn't care for the K701's treble - it is what made me sell them. It sounded artificial and brittle. The T1's treble sounds very natural to me. I also think the T1 has the superior sound staging capability.
Just my view. But I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way who has owned both."

While I am a fan of the AKG K-70x, I do agree with most of what you said. I think the soundstage is song dependent. Sometimes I feel the AKG is just so spot on. Not taking away from the T1. The T1 is better. It's that sometimes the 70x's staging and imaging sound amazing. I admit I only had a few hours with the T1. I did listen across genres, with different amps and sources. To me, I'll call it a toss up because sometimes the AKG seemed to do that part better.

As for the rest of the T1? Far and away superior.

k70x hardly better than k50x or even 40x.........i don't compare akg to beyer though,  it's really apple and orange.

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Originally Posted by fhuang 

k70x hardly better than k50x or even 40x.........i don't compare akg to beyer though,  it's really apple and orange.

Some people prefer K501, K400 or even K601 to K701. For others, like me, prefer K701 to others KX01.

Superior enough to cost as much as it costs? I've heard many headphones multiples of the price of the K701s. None of them have ever been superior to the AKGs in every or even most aspects.

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Originally Posted by Skylab 

There again, I can't agree, which is only to say there is no absolute truth there. I didn't care for the K701's treble - it is what made me sell them. It sounded artificial and brittle. The T1's treble sounds very natural to me. I also think the T1 has the superior sound staging capability.

Just my view. But I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way who has owned both.

Have to agree with Rob. I put Harry Connick Blue Light which is a big band excellent early Connick and my favorite. On the 701 it was bright and the horn section was almost shrill in the highs. The T1 had more debt and it reproduced those horns as if I was at the concert. People really need to listen to the T1 for over 100hrs to appreciate this phone. Short sessions will only give you some of the quality but extended sessions really show what they can do.  People will always have their opinons but for me the 701 wont be here much longer as I really do not listen to them since the T1 arrived.

Suggesting burn-in for 100 hours makes little sense. Usually 8-20 hours is enough. Heavy drum, pink noise, and silence tracks.

People have said 400 hours for AKGs. 8 hours is enough to sound similar to a 400 hour burn in one...

From the looks of it, the "superiority" of T1 is a difference in preference

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Originally Posted by wind016 

Suggesting burn-in for 100 hours makes little sense. Usually 8-20 hours is enough. Heavy drum, pink noise, and silence tracks.

People have said 400 hours for AKGs. 8 hours is enough to sound similar to a 400 hour burn in one...

 

From the looks of it, the "superiority" of T1 is a difference in preference

About the "burn-in" , I believe ear pad's fit and contact pressure plays a important role here.
 

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Originally Posted by donthuang 

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Originally Posted by wind016 

Suggesting burn-in for 100 hours makes little sense. Usually 8-20 hours is enough. Heavy drum, pink noise, and silence tracks.

People have said 400 hours for AKGs. 8 hours is enough to sound similar to a 400 hour burn in one...

 

From the looks of it, the "superiority" of T1 is a difference in preference

 

About the "burn-in" , I believe ear pad's fit and contact pressure plays a important role here.
 

That's wear-in haha

There's alot of hate over AKGs lately. When you compare this to Grados, the hate just does not make sense.