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post #16 of 69

I don't think they are any different. I just tried my Clip (not +) and it drives my akg k702 and 400ohm beyer dt220 louder than I would ever listen.Though I do accept that the output is much quieter than my full size players like my iriver h120 h320 and ipod 5.5g. This is particularly evident when using the clip with an external amp, be it car stereo or headphone amp.

 

 

 

post #17 of 69

I agree about how good the Fuze is. I also have a Clip and Clip+, which I like, but the Fuze is soemthing special. I've tried much more expensive stuff from Sony, Kenwood, Cowon, etc, and they all had their benefits, but I keep coming back to the Fuze.

 

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I agree about how good the Fuze is. I also have a Clip and Clip+, which I like, but the Fuze is soemthing special. I've tried much more expensive stuff from Sony, Kenwood, Cowon, etc, and they all had their benefits, but I keep coming back to the Fuze.

 

Do you notice a sound quality difference with the Fuze, compared to the Clip+? Or do you prefer the Fuze for other reasons?

post #19 of 69
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sound quality should be very different as the clip doesnt support fully lossless FLAC and has a much lower output.  

 

Some lv6 FLAC don't play on my clip.  I dont know if the + version has that issue but the original does for sure.  I'd like to know if total lossless flac plays on the clip+

 

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sound quality should be very different as the clip doesnt support fully lossless FLAC and has a much lower output.  

 

Some lv6 FLAC don't play on my clip.  I dont know if the + version has that issue but the original does for sure.  I'd like to know if total lossless flac plays on the clip+

 

 FLAC is about all I listen to. I was totally happy with the Fuze, but the clip+ just feels lacking. I definitely have to turn it up louder than I did the Fuze. Making a clip+ vs. fuze claim is similar to a UFO sighting, nobody believes it.

post #21 of 69
Thread Starter 

I've never heard or read a review on the clip+ being as good as the fuze :[

 

link?

post #22 of 69



 

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Do you notice a sound quality difference with the Fuze, compared to the Clip+? Or do you prefer the Fuze for other reasons?



The Fuze seems a bit louder than the Clip+ but the quality is the same. Perhaps it is just my imagination, but it seems I need the Clip+ volume to be around 75% to get the equivalent volume as the Fuze at 50%. this is with the same headphones. The end result is the same though, and I like it.

 

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sound quality should be very different as the clip doesnt support fully lossless FLAC and has a much lower output.  

 

Some lv6 FLAC don't play on my clip.  I dont know if the + version has that issue but the original does for sure.  I'd like to know if total lossless flac plays on the clip+

 


What is a "fully lossless FLAC"? Is there a partially lossless counterpart? I don't get it.

 

I usually rip level 5 but have tried all of them, and never recall having an issue with the Clip or the Clip+ playing them back.
 

post #23 of 69

 

 

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The Fuze seems a bit louder than the Clip+ but the quality is the same. Perhaps it is just my imagination, but it seems I need the Clip+ volume to be around 75% to get the equivalent volume as the Fuze at 50%. this is with the same headphones. The end result is the same though, and I like it.

 

I definitely notice that as well. Maybe what I'm hearing is due to not properly compensating for the volume issue, and not an SQ issue. I hope so. I may pick up a Fuze anyway, since I like the feel of it in my hand better than the clip. Can't hurt to have both.

post #24 of 69
Thread Starter 
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What is a "fully lossless FLAC"? Is there a partially lossless counterpart? I don't get it.

 

I usually rip level 5 but have tried all of them, and never recall having an issue with the Clip or the Clip+ playing them back.
 


Fully lossless means just that, fully lossless.  Converters as you know can rip in various settings.  For flac its usually rated 1-8 or something like that.  I was reading a bit on the subject and found that some people have problems with the max flac, the best setting possible, but others claim it works fine.  For some reason highest setting flac rips didn't play on my clip.  But worked fine on my fuze, the very same folder.  So i;ve not a clue why. 

 

but if it works fine on the + , thats great.

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Fully lossless means just that, fully lossless.  Converters as you know can rip in various settings.  For flac its usually rated 1-8 or something like that.  I was reading a bit on the subject and found that some people have problems with the max flac, the best setting possible, but others claim it works fine.  For some reason highest setting flac rips didn't play on my clip.  But worked fine on my fuze, the very same folder.  So i;ve not a clue why. 

 

but if it works fine on the + , thats great.


The 1-8 settings are the amount of compression used, which affects the size of the files, 1 is the least compression, 8 is the most.....but they are all fully lossless.

post #26 of 69

So it is possible that the FLAC decoder in Clips could be flawed.  Makes one wonder if there could be an impact on SQ.

post #27 of 69
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So it is possible that the FLAC decoder in Clips could be flawed.  Makes one wonder if there could be an impact on SQ.


I do know that with the Sansa firmware, FLAC is a huge draw on the battery. With one of my original Clips, battery runtime was 8.5 hours with FLAC, and a little over 14 with a mix of mp3 and wma files.

post #28 of 69

I've never had an issue with FLAC on my clip+. I think my ripper automatically goes to the higher compression level but I do use rockbox and never use the sansa firmware except for charging.

post #29 of 69
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I've never heard or read a review on the clip+ being as good as the fuze :[

 

link?


 Pretty much every single review or comparison I've ever read says they're identical, with a small number of people divided between saying one or the other is superior. Did a quick "Clip+ vs Fuze" search and grabbed the first one. Early on in the thread someone says the Clip+ is superior.

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/477510/sansa-fuze-vs-clip-vs-clip

 

 

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Fully lossless means just that, fully lossless. 

 

 

 

 

I think he was confused by the term, since it seems to suggest something can be less than fully lossless. I would think this impossible, heh. Then again, what do I know..

post #30 of 69



 

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The 1-8 settings are the amount of compression used, which affects the size of the files, 1 is the least compression, 8 is the most.....but they are all fully lossless.


Exactly. the differences are not huge either; it mostly impacts encoding time. Consider that moving from a level 5 to level 8 takes roughly 2-3 times as long to encode, and only gives you a 1 or 2 percent smaller file in the end.

 

The good part about FLAC is that it puts nearly all of the processing on the encoding side, thus enabling very low requirements for the decoding side.


 

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Originally Posted by Anaxilus View Post

So it is possible that the FLAC decoder in Clips could be flawed.  Makes one wonder if there could be an impact on SQ.



Anything is possible, but we shouldn't assume that to be the case based on a single anecdotal report.

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