Originally Posted by shigzeo
The 1st Gen shuffle gets louder, but distorts at the upper end of the volume more than the Sansa. But if you are listening to music THAT loudly, then you probably can't pick up the distortion anyway. In terms of SQ, the Clip is only really better in hiss and at loud volumes, holding down distortion. At normal volumes, the shuffle has better low end performance, better stereo separation, and (subjectively) smoother mids.
I own both and think lovely for their uses, but if the shuffle didn't hiss (and never died), I'd never use the clip.
Haha I can most certainly pick up the distortion, I know very well what distortion sounds like. And the 1st generation shuffle unquestionably can get louder than the clip without distorting. (I didnt say that the shuffle wont distort at its max volume, it sometimes will depending on the track. But itll get to a higher volume than the clip without distorting on any given track.) SQ wise, Id say that the clip has smoother mids, and overall a nicer, fuller sound. i prefer it. id agree that the 1st gen shuffle is indeed usually better at low end performance (so music with a ton of bass can sometimes sound better on it, yeah), sometimes better very high end performance, and usually better stereo separation, but it sometimes soundsalmost like its too much too me, like its really not smooth, choppy, and really missing some detail. In any case i like the sound from both devices, of course the shuffle 2nd gen for example is much much worse than both.
But in any event, if I rockbox the clip+, will it get a bit louder?