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post #61 of 76

Is the 02 capable of driving the 600ohm DT880?

post #62 of 76

Yes. It was one of the design goals of the amplifier to be able to drive that headphone, as the one that requires the most voltage (other than the HE-6, electrostatics, and some exotic/vintage models).

post #63 of 76

Hey there. Im a headphone noob, usually use monitors but cant for a while.. Im thinking of getting the 600 ohms, but I use a Presonus Audiobox with my computer. Its rated at 30mW @ 60ohm.  will this be sufficient to run these bad boys? Im assuming not =( Will the 250 ohms even run well with my soundcard?

post #64 of 76

Thanks a lot stv014, ur answer was really helpful. I wasn't aware of different efficiency at a same impedance but it makes sense that even if my K702 sounds really good, they are unefficient. I wonder though if we can really trust most company when they say the amp in their soundcard or portable device and so on.. handles up to 600ohm or if it's often just marketing ******** because 600 looks so extreme, if only I could find a place to test the unit before buying it but these headphone are impossible to find other than on Internet, at least in Canada :/

post #65 of 76

I just wanna add that I am a very happy 250ohm DT880 owner

the main reason for not getting the 600ohm version was simply i didnt want to 'loose' half my audio equipment due to it not being powerful enough to drive them adequetly

Also, the 250 cans are said to be great for reference so the thought of 600's having a 'boosted low and high end' didn't appeal - for me the more neutral the better 

I love the sound of these cans dearly - they do have a characteristic sound. I sometimes feel if they were slightly less warm in the low mids they would be perfect [for me!] but then I think this would make them a bit too neutral, so maybe they are perfect as they are?!

Whether this idea was right or wrong, who can say :) but they make me smile and I have had some serious 'audiophilic' moments with them!

 

these guys say it better than I have!

http://www.head-fi.org/products/beyerdynamic-dt-880-pro-250-ohm-semi-open-reference-headphone


Edited by jon parker - 5/9/14 at 2:52pm
post #66 of 76

Holy thread resurection! I'll just add that I finaly sold my K702 for about 200-220$ then I bought the DT880 Premium in 250ohm version and I am more than very pleased with them. They're even better globaly than my K702 though I prefered the wider soundstage of AKG but that's about it. You can read my whole review at the link below. Else I'll quickly add that I use it on my (Cowon S9) mp3 player with a (Fiio E12) amp and on my computer I plug it directly in my (Soundblaster Zxr) soundcard and it's extremly good in Battlefield 4 for sound quality and virtual surround.


http://secure1.ncix.com/products/productreviewdetail.php?id=204402

post #67 of 76

"Oh yea and it's the PREMIUM version on NCIX by the way, not the inferior PRO version."

 

And who, pray tell, told you that the Pro was inferior? It is of course the same phone.

 

Otherwise, very nice review, though the font could be a touch larger for my aging eyes. And, oh yes, I'm very pleased to hear that you have 'a ton of hairs'. :p

post #68 of 76
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And who, pray tell, told you that the Pro was inferior? It is of course the same phone.

Otherwise, very nice review, though the font could be a touch larger for my aging eyes. And, oh yes, I'm very pleased to hear that you have 'a ton of hairs'. :p

Ya I know they share the same drivers and there isn't much difference but it still not exactly the same as you can read HERE.

1- Coiled cable.

2- More head clamp
3- Different esthetic

 

Oh as for the small font, you can simply hold CTRL then press + :)

post #69 of 76
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Also, the 250 cans are said to be great for reference so the thought of 600's having a 'boosted low and high end' didn't appeal - for me the more neutral the better 

hi

Where did you found the information that 600ohm have boosted low and high end? 

I plan to buy the 880 for reference/monitoring and I am not sure which impedance should I choose.

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post #70 of 76

The 600's don't have boosted high or low end.  They sound pretty much the same as the 250's actually  - I had both.  Unless you're using an OTL Tube amp (ie high output impedance and reasonable voltage), there really is no reason to use the 600 ohm. Grab the 250s - they'll be all you need.

post #71 of 76
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And who, pray tell, told you that the Pro was inferior? It is of course the same phone.

Otherwise, very nice review, though the font could be a touch larger for my aging eyes. And, oh yes, I'm very pleased to hear that you have 'a ton of hairs'. :p

Ya I know they share the same drivers and there isn't much difference but it still not exactly the same as you can read HERE.

1- Coiled cable.

2- More head clamp
3- Different esthetic

 

 

 

 

Well, since I own the Pro I'm well aware of the differences. What I meant was, that in all essentials (driver, housing, damping etc) they're the same phone, so the chance of one being noticeably inferior to the other is close to zero.

 

 

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Also, the 250 cans are said to be great for reference so the thought of 600's having a 'boosted low and high end' didn't appeal - for me the more neutral the better 

hi

Where did you found the information that 600ohm have boosted low and high end? 

I plan to buy the 880 for reference/monitoring and I am not sure which impedance should I choose.

br

 

 

Sounds like someone's getting confused between impedances for the 880 and the differences between the 880 and 990, which does have boosted highs and lows. As for what impedance to get, 250 is always the wise choice unless you like to complicate your life.

post #72 of 76
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Sounds like someone's getting confused between impedances for the 880 and the differences between the 880 and 990, which does have boosted highs and lows. As for what impedance to get, 250 is always the wise choice unless you like to complicate your life.

It's true that anything past 250-300 seems totaly useless and just complicates your life for no added benefits. I find it so lame that Beyer only do the T1 at 600Ohm so you cannot use it on any portable amp such as the Fiio E12. Anyway I ended up prefering the T90 over the DT880 I had, soundwise with the slight "V shaped EQ".

post #73 of 76
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It's true that anything past 250-300 seems totaly useless and just complicates your life for no added benefits. I find it so lame that Beyer only do the T1 at 600Ohm so you cannot use it on any portable amp such as the Fiio E12. Anyway I ended up prefering the T90 over the DT880 I had, soundwise with the slight "V shaped EQ".
You'd be surprised - the T1 is actually not that hard to drive. It's higher sensitivity means that you can get reasonable volume even out of an X5 with no amp. The only problem I get is that not all of the bass is there. But either using EQ, or bass boost works nicely. An X1 + E11K + bass boost on has the T1 sounding pretty good. So an E12 should have no problems with the T1.
post #74 of 76
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Originally Posted by PanzerIV View Post
 

It's true that anything past 250-300 seems totaly useless and just complicates your life for no added benefits. I find it so lame that Beyer only do the T1 at 600Ohm so you cannot use it on any portable amp such as the Fiio E12. Anyway I ended up prefering the T90 over the DT880 I had, soundwise with the slight "V shaped EQ".

 

I plan to use these DT880 with a small mixer to drive them (my soundcard Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 is rather too weak to drive them). I want to buy something like Behringer Xenyx 502. Do you think it has enough power to drive 250 and 600 ohm versions? BTW, I am not planning to use DT880 with portable audio devices.

post #75 of 76

Hmm hard to tell to be honnest because I know pretty much nothing about mixing hardware. My very first cheap amp was the (Behringer MA400) of 25-30$ that was plugged on my computer. It did the job plenty enough to increase the volume but I think it would only increase the volume without giving extra sound quality as an amp isn't only about the extra volume when you pay for quality. Back then I think I also only had the (AKG K702) which are rated 64 Ohm though almost as hard to drive as a 250 Ohm Beyer.
www.behringer.com/EN/Products/MA400.aspx

Then I bought the portable (Fiio E12) which is one of the best on the market and that stays at a reasonable price. Mind you can still leave it plugged through USB on your computer if you want though if you plan on NEVER using it in a portable way, you should go instead with the (Fiio E09K) which is more suited for a stationary purpose. They are both pretty much as powerful, the 09K being maybe very slightly more powerful which is strange according to their rating because 880 vs ≥900mW (32Ω Loaded) is in my opinion way too close to call a difference, yet they rated the E09K up to 600ohm while the E12 up to 300 for the recommanded use. I've never tryed a 600 Ohm headphone so far so I can't tell. I'm sure it would prolly play loud enough as it's really not like if the volume is 2x lower from 300 to 600 Ohm.
http://www.headphonebar.com/fiio-e09k/

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