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Ideal opamp voltage?

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 

OK my Cmoys is now nearing completion and I am wanting to make a desk mount h/Phone amp, probably sticking close to the cmoy design, maybe with separate op amps and a virtual ground.

 

It will run from the mains (240v), what is the ideal voltage for OP amps to run at? I know more voltage means more volume (amplitude?), but is there a really sweet spot, obviously 9v seems enough in most situations, and 18v give it a bit more power still.

 

I want this to be fairly universal for all headphones, ranging from high to low impedance. thanks.

post #2 of 9

it depends on the opamp your using.. you should check the datasheets and decide yourself..

post #3 of 9
Thread Starter 

well I want to swap in differences op amps into it so I can hear the differences between them. a generic value would be good, I was thinking 18v, but am not sure.

post #4 of 9

18v should be fine.  Many of the op-amps that people roll can run from up to 36V rails, but there are some that have a lower maximum voltage.

post #5 of 9

Keep in mind that when you change the headphones, you are completely changing the load. 32 ohm Denon's and Grados obviously pull more current at the same output level than 600 ohm Beyers. I would check out the datasheets for the opamps you want to try and see what their recommended bias voltages are, then adjust the resistors to set the gain for a certain headphone.

post #6 of 9
Thread Starter 

Thanks, I noticed on the original design that there Chu Moy used the 'R5' resistor for lower inpedance headphones, I was under the impression this would not be necessary when there is a virtual ground?

 

as to the gain, I was intending to run this from line level phono, do you have any recommendation as to a suitable gain level. Default is 11. I was unaware that changing the impedance of the output headphones had an impact of the incoming source or does it?

 

 

Please correct me if I am wrong, I am learning a lot here.

 

Thanks

post #7 of 9

Nah, changing the headphones doesn't directly affect the source, but if you are driving a 32 ohm load with a 5V peak-to-peak signal it will be most likely be much louder than driving a 600 ohm load with the same signal. High impedance headphones usually need higher gain.

post #8 of 9
Thread Starter 

ah, I see it is just a question of perceived volume.

 

assuming the source is regulated well (ie no loss) is a 5v peak to peak signal be produced by a 5v input to the op amp?

 

 

What is the pro and cons of increasing the volume to the amp, vs increasing the gain. I was under the impression that more volts meant more volume.

post #9 of 9

Volume control typically works like a variable voltage divider scaling a "weak" input (like something coming from a DAC) to an opamp. I've never seen a volume control which scales the output. You would need a very beefy, very expensive, logarithmic potentiometer which can handle the full power of the amplifier. Anyways, the opamp doesn't care what the input signal is, it will simply apply a fixed gain determined by the ratio of various resistors. Usually the bias voltage is chosen so it's slightly above what the maximum output signal level can be, since the output voltage level cannot ever exceed the bias voltage. Outputs of "rail-to-rail" opamps can get very close to the bias voltage, but cannot actually ever reach it exactly.

 

Say you have a signal (sine wave, or whatever, doesn't matter) which is currently at exactly 1V coming from a DAC. You cut it in "half" (reduce by 3dB) by a volume knob and the gain of the opamp is set to -3. The output of the opamp will be at -1.5 volts. Gain is negative because inverting amplifiers tend to have slightly less distortion than non-inverting amplifiers due to common-mode rejection issues. With inverting amplifiers the non-inverting terminal is usually connected directly to signal ground, unless you are doing DC offset compensation with a resistor between the non-inverting terminal and ground, but that's another lesson for another day.

 

You now take that -1.5 volt output, and lets say you have a 32 ohm speaker, the current into 32 ohms from -1.5 volts is -47mA, or 70mW.

Now you plug in a 600 ohm speaker to the exact same system set to the exact same levels. The current into 600 ohms from -1.5 volts is -2.5mA or 3.75mW, which is obviously way different than 70mW. To find the output from the speaker you will need to know the sensitivity of your speaker, which is usually measured in dB per watt.

 

Bottom line, you will have to set the gain of the system so that at maximum volume (zero attenuation between your source and the amplifier) will be at your maximum listening level for a given speaker. 100dB is really loud, and could potentially damage hearing so I would be careful. Most headphone amplifiers I've seen have a gain in the -3 to -10 range, but it will strongly depend on the impedance of the load, the level of the source, etc...

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