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Did I use the right input Capacitors?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

I used 0.1uF capacitors in my Cmoy amp.

These: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=622-4202


The amp works out, the sound is good but not perfect, and it distorts quite early, although can decent volume out of it.

 

I noticed Tangent used 100v polypropylene 0.1uF caps what are the advantages of this in comparison to the ones I used?

 

Also what effect does increasing the Capacitance (as suggested to 0.22uF) have (and why?).

 

Finally what is the realistic range to increase in. Is the restricting factor just physical size and cost?

 

Thanks 

post #2 of 20

We need to know some more information...

Input capacitor depends in input impedance.

Your input capacitor seems a little small, I tend

to use 1 uF for input impedance of 25k to 50K.

For input impedance of 100K, I would say that

.3 uF would be the smallest you would want to use.

As for the distortion, what are you using for power,

what kind of headphones do you have and which

schematic did you use?

post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 

Thank you for your reply, these are currently driving a set of cheap sennheiser HD215's @ 32ohms

but they will also have to handle beyerdynamics DT770 and Grado sr60. (If it is unrealistic to expect the amp to do that range, I will happily build a second if I know what should be modified)

 

the schematics I used are the ones given on Tangent Soft

http://tangentsoft.net/audio/cmoy-tutorial/

 

I have learnt a lot by doing this project, and am keen to know what the input capacitors are actually doing, and how capacitance effect the output, and what difference material makes.

 

Also beginners question: how do you measure input impedance? Is that the load on the source determined by the 10k Pot?

 

Thanks again.

post #4 of 20

The input impedance we are interested in is R2.

.1 uF is ok, but .3 uF to 1 uF is better. The higher

the value, the more solid you bass will be.

 

I would also increase the value of R3 to 2K for

your low impedance headphones.

 

A 9 volt rechargeable battery would be great for this design.

post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 

100k ohms in that case.

 

thanks.

post #6 of 20
Thread Starter 

ok now this odd, I just powered it up, and there was a lot more noise and something it was was picking up the radio!!!

post #7 of 20
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Originally Posted by dobby156 View Post

ok now this odd, I just powered it up, and there was a lot more noise and something it was was picking up the radio!!!


ahahha you are the first to build a cmoy radio

post #8 of 20
post #9 of 20
Thread Starter 

That you for your replies, and that links was excellent. I bought enough parts to give this a second shot.

 

However this time I am going to splash out (as cheaply as possible) on some audio level caps, so to clarify I should be looking at around 0.47uF (the source is MP3 players, computers... normal h/Phone outputs) and the headphone are fairly low impedance.

 

Do you know what the minimum voltage I should be considering is, I know it make little difference once the caps are over the value, but I am not sure what the value is to start with. By power source is 18v (2x9Vdc).

 

Are these good choices? I want a clean sound where possible.

Nichicon MUSE  NES-270 @ 0.47uF - 50v

http://www.hificollective.co.uk/components/nichicon_es.html

 

Blackgate Nx HiQ  @ 0.47uF - 50v

http://www.hificollective.co.uk/components/black_gate_n_type.html

 

Finally, does it matter if these are polarised?

 

 

Thanks, it is a great help.


Edited by dobby156 - 6/29/10 at 10:12am
post #10 of 20
Thread Starter 

anyone? it's a big help.

post #11 of 20


I think this is all you need...

For your CMoy is is good enough quality.

You could spend a lot more but probably not

hear the difference.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dobby156 View Post

anyone? it's a big help.

post #12 of 20
Thread Starter 

Thank you for your reply, it that case I'll for the lower end then, but after reading the article given above I was now under the impression that 0.1uF was too low? Any thought on this?

 

Finally what is the minimum voltage i should be looking at.


Thanks as always.

post #13 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Avro_Arrow View Post


I think this is all you need...

 


 


Also that would actually cost more to me than the Nichicon MUSE  NES-270; if someone could confirm whether they are or are not a good choice than I am happy to go ahead and get them.

 

Thanks.

post #14 of 20

Yes, .1 uF is too small.

The cap I gave you the link to is 1 uF.

The cap will only have a few volts across it

but these film caps only come in higher

voltage ratings. A 1 uF @ 10 volt electrolytic

would be small, but it probably would not

sound very good.

post #15 of 20

Here is the same thing from the supplier you first linked to.

 

1uF Panasonic Cap

 

I have this same cap in 2.2 uF on the input of my Szekeres VE3.

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