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post #541 of 913
1/27/13 at 8:32am

Theogenes,

I forgot to mention JMoney Audio V2 Lambskin pads for beyer.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/424130/review-jmoney-audio-genuine-leather-earpads-for-beyer-dt770-880-990

 

Sad thing those nice genuine leather pads are already out of production, may be still available somewhere.

Though I have a pair and those pads really fit my Custom One Pros, I have no idea if those would sound nice on T5p. 

I'll give a try and post a report in a few days.

 

Cheers

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post #542 of 913
1/27/13 at 8:33am
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Also, I heard back from Wilson at Jaben, and he said they don't change the pads on the T5p during the modifications... Perhaps they did at one point? I don't have pricing for the modification to an existing headset yet, but as soon as I have that I'll post back. 

 

No, he really don't change anything but the cable.

 

I think the one which cause the sound change is because the Jaben-mod's T5p using T1's cable. That's why people feel the different between standard T1 and Jaben-mod T1 is smaller compare to in  T5p's case.

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post #543 of 913
1/27/13 at 1:53pm
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No, he really don't change anything but the cable.

 

I think the one which cause the sound change is because the Jaben-mod's T5p using T1's cable. That's why people feel the different between standard T1 and Jaben-mod T1 is smaller compare to in  T5p's case.

 

That's interesting, because the pads on my Jaben ones are totally different to the ones on my regular T5p. Maybe Beyer changed out the pads at some stage?

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post #544 of 913
1/27/13 at 8:33pm

Huh... That's pretty weird. Any chance you could post pics comparing the two? 

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post #545 of 913
1/27/13 at 8:42pm
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Huh... That's pretty weird. Any chance you could post pics comparing the two? 

 

It's mostly the feel, my original T5p has super soft pads, the Jaben ones are really firm. The original ones have a slightly different lustre too, the Jaben ones look much more matte. Will do pics when I get the chance.


Edited by NZtechfreak - 1/27/13 at 8:58pm
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post #546 of 913
1/27/13 at 9:22pm
Okay, before I left for work today and after I came back I did some obsessive-compulsive digging around, and below are the notes on what I've found thus far. And yes, I realize they're all over the place, but they reflect several different conversations, trains of thought, and times when I was able to look into it, so please excuse the somewhat scattershot nature of the info:  
 
Incomplete List of T5p Compatible Pads: 
 
Standard beyerdynamic: 
EDT5p: stock pads from beyerdynamic (product in German)
EDT990 Series:  not recommended as they are designed for open headphones and have a negative impact on the sound, used in the DT880 (compatibility) (product)
EDT770 Series: stock pads on DT770, also designed for closed cans (compatibility) (product)
T70p Pads: micro velour (part number 910945, couldn't find a SKU) and nubuck leather (70NL EDT) (compatibility) (product in German)
Gel Pads: no longer available, apparently the clear variant is much better sounding than the black version (compatibility) (product)
 
Denon D2000/5000/7000 Pads: 
Standard Denon Pads: (compatibility, among many others)
Lawton Audio Pads: appears that angled pads would be a poor match, need flat pads (product)
 
Aftermarket Pads: 
JMoney Audio V2 Lambskin: no longer in production (compatibility)
 
Possibles & Unconfirmed: 
EDT 50p: standard T50p pads (product)
 
Question: what models of beyerdynamics have interchangable pads? It looks like most of the home audio (i.e. non-aviation, etc) DT and T-series cans will physically fit, but so far I've seen references only to DT660, DT770, DT880, T70p, and T1. Any other models that have pads that would work? 
 
 
Random Notes: 
 
Hunt for JMoney Pads: Sent an email to the proprietor of JMoney, Jeremy Lin, prior to realizing that that company is no longer in business due to his relocation to another continent. Saw mention of J$ Christmas sale, found thread, realized guy was going out of business, sent him PM per instructions in that thread. Sent another PM to yguyg, who apparently was given the remainder of Jeremy's b-stock when he left. Yguyg responded back and said that he could not sell them until he heard back from Jeremy regarding pricing, and he recommended I reach out to wje. Sent PM to wje, no response yet (message just sent recently). EDIT: got responses from yguyg and wje-- yguyg will let me know when he hears back from Jeremy, and wje did in fact have some pads available, so I snatched up a pair. When they come in, I'll give 'em a go and let y'all know how they sound!
 
Jaben Mods: Still in conversation with Wilson at Jaben. He has not outright said that they do not do modifications on existing cans, but it seems implied. After a brief conversation via email, he said he'd let me know when they do the next round of T5p mods and let me know if there's anything he can do. Seems like a nice guy. 
 
Moon Audio Mods: Started thinking about other places that might be able to mod T5p, thought of Beyer reviews from Drew at Moon, found they have multiple options for recabling on their site. Read a lot of the stuff on the site and on the blog, and sent a message requesting pricing and recommendations for a possible recable on my pair. No response yet (message just sent recently). 

Edited by Theogenes - 1/27/13 at 9:52pm
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post #547 of 913
1/27/13 at 9:26pm
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It's mostly the feel, my original T5p has super soft pads, the Jaben ones are really firm. The original ones have a slightly different lustre too, the Jaben ones look much more matte. Will do pics when I get the chance.

 

Awesome. I'd love to figure out if there's another type of pad out there that could be responsible for the changes in SQ you mentioned. Have you ever switched the pads between your two headsets, by any chance? If so, whadja think? :)

 

Btw, I think it is ludicrously fantastic beyond measure that you have BOTH a modded and stock T5p at your disposal for comparison, and am officially jealous of you. biggrin.gif Please do let me know if the questions or requests for information become overbearing-- when I become enamored of something, I typically go bonkers until I either understand everything about it or have everything precisely as I want it. And thank you for all your info so far!!! :-)

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post #548 of 913
1/27/13 at 11:29pm

What I can think right now for the pad difference is because the different batch, I'm not sure though.

 

But when we look from the packaging, then the early T5p indeed have different package compare to latest batch.

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post #549 of 913
1/28/13 at 12:55am
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What I can think right now for the pad difference is because the different batch, I'm not sure though.

 

But when we look from the packaging, then the early T5p indeed have different package compare to latest batch.

 

That's what I was thinking, however they did come in the same package - the one with the metal travel case and fabric carry bag (neither came with the old portable carry case that it came with when first released). So if it is a batch number thing then there must have been a revision somewhere along the way, either that or one of mine slipped through Beyers quality control!

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post #550 of 913
1/28/13 at 12:58am
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Awesome. I'd love to figure out if there's another type of pad out there that could be responsible for the changes in SQ you mentioned. Have you ever switched the pads between your two headsets, by any chance? If so, whadja think? :)

 

Btw, I think it is ludicrously fantastic beyond measure that you have BOTH a modded and stock T5p at your disposal for comparison, and am officially jealous of you. biggrin.gif Please do let me know if the questions or requests for information become overbearing-- when I become enamored of something, I typically go bonkers until I either understand everything about it or have everything precisely as I want it. And thank you for all your info so far!!! :-)

 

No problems, I'm as intrigued as you are. I am definitely going to swap the pads at some point when I have time.

 

Given they are original Beyer pads on both it makes me wonder again how much the cable is contributing to the difference in sound, by which I mean whether the additional power being delivered into each driver in a balanced setup is what is producing the difference.

 

Oh, and reason for two is that once I had settled on the T5p as my portable headphones, I really wanted the removable cables to make them as fit for purpose as possible. Whenever I can eventually decide which I like best I will sell the other pair, but for now I have both :)

 

...and regarding bass: don't get me wrong guys, on the whole I really enjoy the bass on these, just a little bit more would make them perfect for me over pretty much all genres is all. I'm not taking about making them sound like Beats or anything...


Edited by NZtechfreak - 1/28/13 at 1:14am
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post #551 of 913
1/28/13 at 3:17am

I don't have any desire to change the pads here. Another no change for me. tongue.gif My number is 7997, I have no idea were that lays in the production. Pads are firm, soft and no heat or pressure problems.

 

So just the cable for me. Maybe 18awg silver plated copper? I love putting time on these headphones. beerchug.gif

 

NZTF, do you use these headphone while travelling, walking/vehicle etc, that kind of portable, wearable portable?

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post #552 of 913
1/28/13 at 4:32am
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...and regarding bass: don't get me wrong guys, on the whole I really enjoy the bass on these, just a little bit more would make them perfect for me over pretty much all genres is all. I'm not taking about making them sound like Beats or anything...

Have you tried Lisa L3? It has very good bass boost, and also overall it's a good pairing with T5p.

 

I think that's what you need sound wise. I'm not sure whether it's portable enough or not for you though tongue.gif

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post #553 of 913
1/28/13 at 7:02am
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I'm not taking about making them sound like Beats or anything...

 

Ha!!! The thought never crossed my mind...  Btw, if it matters, mine came with the felt travel bag, no metal case, and serial number 8999. 

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post #554 of 913
1/28/13 at 10:03pm

A couple of updates: 

 

Drew at Moon Audio was kind enough to respond to my questions briefly, and was given the following bits of info: 

 

1). They only do hard-wired mods, not built-in adapter mods. 

 

2). They do not have any cable mods incorporating microphones, due to the negative sonic impact they have found from doing so. 

 

3). They recommend the Black Dragon cable over the T1 cable. (This is pretty unsurprising, and matches up with some of the things I've read online). 

 

4). The recommend as few connectors as possible for the best SQ. 

 

As a result, I asked his thoughts in regards to having adapters hard wired in and hanging shortly outside the cups themselves. (A huge part of the very point of the mod is, to me, to be able to use a different cable when I need to: at home, on the go, etc). As soon as I have a response back on this most recent query, I'll post it here. 

 

After not feeling particularly warm 'n fuzzy about the possibilities of being able to do what I'd like from Jaben and Moon Audio, I dug around for other potential places to have my T5p modified, and came across BTG Audio (site, reviews). I just sent Brian there a pretty obsessively long list of requests and questions about my Beyers and a few other projects I've had in mind. If the poor guy doesn't run screaming away from a message that has so many questions that it's bulleted with both numbers AND letters, I'll let you guys know what he says tongue.gif

 

Loving my T5p more and more and more and more as time goes on... How the hell these can be so detailed and engaging without being even slightly fatiguing is just beyond me. I've floated off to sleep almost every night since I've got them with them on my head, and it's just been glorious... My gel pads are on the way now, and I have high hopes for the impacts they could have on the sonics and isolation I'm getting. As always, I'll report back with anything I find out. 

 

How the holy hell are these cans not more popular than this????

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post #555 of 913
1/28/13 at 10:35pm
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How the holy hell are these cans not more popular than this????

I think the price has something to do with that. Innerfidelity's somehow bad measurements of these might also influence a few people. Only guessing but I agree. They sound good if close cans are what you need. Otherwise I would buy T1 for the price. 

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