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Originally Posted by Pedro83 View Post
 

My 5Tp arrived today, all I can say at this stage is I very much look forward to them breaking in. side by side to the T70p which have several hundred hours on them and i'm not sure beyond a little detail what the 5Tp do better. They clearly need breaking in. Anyway, a journey is ahead and one I very much look forward to. 

I had the same question and it took me two months to finaly conclude that the T5p do some things better than the T70p. I ended up keeping the T5p and sold the T70p. Mainly the comfort and quality of the materials and not the sound made me take that decision. I could easily live with the T70p. Both the T5p and T70p scale very well with better source and amplification. In fact T70 react better to crossfeed on the Meier Corda amps than the T5p so T70p do somthing with regards to soundstage that my ears cannot perceive with the T5p.

 

On the contrary to Arttt I belong to the belief that the charachteristics of the headphones do not change during break in of the drivers. If there is a change it is less than one can hear. I know based on years of shifting between headphones with dark or bright signatures, that getting used to a signature over some time, changes ones perception of the sound A LOT when you get used to more or less bass impact. Once you adjust to the lesser bass impact of the T5p/T70p you start to perceive the details and soundstage they have. It has been like that always and that is why people either love or hate Etymotic ER-4S, T70, HD800, T5p.... etc. and other headphones not having the elevated bass impact.

 

So my advice is to forget about break-in and start to enjoy and open you mind to the sound! I admit I do break-in myself using white noise, pink noise etc. but that is more to satisfy my psychoacoustic perception of the headphone/earphone. I believe that has better effect on the sound. 

 

Also knowing this one can use it to choose which portable headphone to use in coorporation with the T5p. When I use the T51p which has a VERY impactful bass I enjoy the bass more when I am used to the T5p. When I am adjusting to the T51p for some days I enjoy the details and bright, airy sound of the T5p. 

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I've never experienced any burn-in effect in my life but on the other hand I have fresh memories of my friend's T5p (bought several years ago) that clearly sounded different from mine. They were darker and had more midrange flesh than my brand new ones. I will give them a try (some two weeks of intensive burn-in) to decide whether to return them or not. For the time being they sound very similar to T70p that I recently sold due to excessive brightness (at least for my taste).

 

Another strange observation. I just did direct comparisons between my T5p and Ultrasone Signature Pro and found their level of brightness comparable, but unlike T5p the SigPros don't prevent me from enoying music.

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Originally Posted by rasmushorn View Post
 

I had the same question and it took me two months to finaly conclude that the T5p do some things better than the T70p. I ended up keeping the T5p and sold the T70p. Mainly the comfort and quality of the materials and not the sound made me take that decision. I could easily live with the T70p. Both the T5p and T70p scale very well with better source and amplification. In fact T70 react better to crossfeed on the Meier Corda amps than the T5p so T70p do somthing with regards to soundstage that my ears cannot perceive with the T5p.

 

On the contrary to Arttt I belong to the belief that the charachteristics of the headphones do not change during break in of the drivers. If there is a change it is less than one can hear. I know based on years of shifting between headphones with dark or bright signatures, that getting used to a signature over some time, changes ones perception of the sound A LOT when you get used to more or less bass impact. Once you adjust to the lesser bass impact of the T5p/T70p you start to perceive the details and soundstage they have. It has been like that always and that is why people either love or hate Etymotic ER-4S, T70, HD800, T5p.... etc. and other headphones not having the elevated bass impact.

 

So my advice is to forget about break-in and start to enjoy and open you mind to the sound! I admit I do break-in myself using white noise, pink noise etc. but that is more to satisfy my psychoacoustic perception of the headphone/earphone. I believe that has better effect on the sound. 

 

Also knowing this one can use it to choose which portable headphone to use in coorporation with the T5p. When I use the T51p which has a VERY impactful bass I enjoy the bass more when I am used to the T5p. When I am adjusting to the T51p for some days I enjoy the details and bright, airy sound of the T5p. 

I followed your posts with great interest.

 

May I ask how much better you rate the 5Tp over the T70p now after you've spent more time with the former? 

 

I left the 5Tp playing through the night, and will do so for the coming weeks. Again, the difference between them and the T70p, everything was in favour of the T70p, especially in the mid section - much more open. The build is much better, and more comfy with the 5Tp but if had to choose yesterday which to keep it would have been the T70p. I do therefore hope they open up and the soundstage is not one you'd expect from a headphone costing over £600 and retailing at £899. Obviously this wouldn't have been fair in the sense the T70p have hundreds of hours on them and the 5Tp brand new. 

 

I use Amarra and find bass boost helps both 'phones. Probably due to their 'R' curve response. I also EQ them with the Onkyo app for iPhone. 

 

I was worried about using my iPhone with the 5Tp as I fly 2-3 times a month, thankfully they sound ok however i've decided to look out for a second hand Hugo DAC to give them what they really need. The Hugo can also be then used in my home rig. 

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Originally Posted by Klonatans View Post
 

I've never experienced any burn-in effect in my life but on the other hand I have fresh memories of my friend's T5p (bought several years ago) that clearly sounded different from mine. They were darker and had more midrange flesh than my brand new ones. I will give them a try (some two weeks of intensive burn-in) to decide whether to return them or not. For the time being they sound very similar to T70p that I recently sold due to excessive brightness (at least for my taste).

 

Another strange observation. I just did direct comparisons between my T5p and Ultrasone Signature Pro and found their level of brightness comparable, but unlike T5p the SigPros don't prevent me from enoying music.

I know from my former job at Bang & Olufsen during the construction of the BeoPlay H6 how much the cushion material and form can change the sound. Also try changing the cushions on Grado headphones, they become very different with different cushions and the distance from the driver to your ear, isolation etc can influence the perception of the sound.

 

Other things could be causing the difference between the old and new T5p's you have been listening to? So this is just guessing, but at least in theory if the drivers are exactly the same (and in the real world no driver is exactly the same as other drivers - which is why each Sennheiser HD800 comes with a frequency measurement for each serialnumber) I mainly suspect that the wear on the cushions and the softness of the cushions after some years use can change the sound quiet a bit. Differences in drivers should be small differences wich would barely be audible. I have noticed that the cushions become flat and somewhat harder after some use than new ones right out of the box. I would have to try to get a new pair of cushions to try the difference one day, it would be interesting :-) All in all these changes will probably be adding to what people think is caused by break in of the driver itself. 

 

I agree very much that the SigPro signature is close to T5p. I know a few users who say the same. The SigPro are great headphones I just have an issue with the wearing comfort over time.

 

Also I think there could be an issue with the angled drivers in the T5p for some people regarding the soundstage. I have noticed that the placement of the T5p on the ears do change the stage somewhat where the T70 sounded the same no matter where I placed them on the ear. Does this make sense? :-)

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