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post #1411 of 1632
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Just received my Headphones back from James@ http://www.stefanaudioart.com

The custom cabling work that was done is absolutely beautiful.

The texture and feel is silky smooth and the look and design is stunning.

I wouldn't expect anything less from James as he has done all my cables in my recording studio.

 

The sound quality at first impressions is always a bit off because it is brand new cabling and needs around 250 hours to be burned in.

ive had maybe 4 hours burn in time so far and the sound field has opened up like a open back headphone, the imaging is much more precise and the fullness is similar to a set of near field monitors, perhaps a bit thicker. 

from first listen i felt the bass was bloomy and the highs were dulled excessively, but after only 4 hours from comparing back and forth with my akgs for HF impression, the T5ps are losing its bloomy-ness and the highs are coming in nicely. the mid range is perfect.

I look forward to burning these in for at least a solid 2 weeks before i will post final thoughts on the new cable change.

anyone wondering about the connector on the end it is an ebony wood connector.

 


Dayam! Amazing job. How much did  it cost you? Does it tame the treble?

post #1412 of 1632
Thanks! I shall give my final thoughts on the changes in a couple weeks, it takes 250 hrs of burn in time for the cable to be at its best. So far its sounding better and better in regards to the lows and the highs, very pleased. And the depth is very realistic, these headphones put my akg k702s to shame now.
post #1413 of 1632
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Dayam! Amazing job. How much did  it cost you? Does it tame the treble?

The cost set me back a cool 500 for the cable and 150 for the ebony connector. Its a completely different sounding headphone now. Soundstage is out of this world in comparison to what it had previously. Frequency wise its starting to sound like some high end k&h near fields, with extended lf. Imagery is excellent, well worth the price tag and time it took to get it done.

I sent the t5p out early june and just got them back yesterday so you can imagine how excited i must have been to finally get them back, it felt like forever.
I highly recommend james for his cabling.
post #1414 of 1632

Thats 650,- + 2 months of waiting... not my cup of tea.

post #1415 of 1632
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Thats 650,- + 2 months of waiting... not my cup of tea.

The waiting time to get cabling done from James is high at the moment due to a couple factors. The first one is the multistage treatment process that the cable has to go through as well as the 1/4 connector. The other reason is he has a lot of customers. i was lucky to get mine in when it did or it would have been longer.

As for the price tag it is a hefty amount for sure, but you get what you pay for.

I can tell by the end of the burn in time it will be worth every dime i paid for it.

I bought these headphones and the cable upgrade because i was recommend these headphones by James in regards to mixing and monitor referencing in the studio. when i first had the T5p arrive(used so i know the drivers were well burned in) i was having 2nd thoughts to going with these headphones but i trusted James opinion. he said the HD800, the AKG K812, and the T1 are great but the T5p with the Endorphin cable upgrade would be the best fit for my application so i went with his judgement. I can say after only less than 24 hrs with the new cabling I'm relieved i did. 

I don't want to encourage people to spend a ton of money on the cable, but if you are making money where it requires you to have optimal sounding gear i highly recommend them.


Edited by Griploc - 8/2/14 at 8:56am
post #1416 of 1632

Sorry, but my only reasons to pay for a cable is when I need other lengths or want an optical upgrade. If you believe it makes it a whole other headphone then 650,- might be well spent. I don't. And would invest the whole sum in a headphone that matches my preferences from the start.

post #1417 of 1632
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Sorry, but my only reasons to pay for a cable is when I need other lengths or want an optical upgrade. If you believe it makes it a whole other headphone then 650,- might be well spent. I don't. And would invest the whole sum in a headphone that matches my preferences from the start.
I wish you were in a close proximity where i could let you hear the headphone. In truth cable can change many audible attributes of a audio signal, unfortunatley many aftermarket cables offer snake oil.
I wasnt a fan of the T5p with the stock cable at all, i actually prefered my k702 sonics imaging, sounfield, and dynamics over the T5ps(except the sub frequencies and the overall thickness the T5ps have unlike the k702s thinness )
When the T5ps came back with the cable change i immediatley noticed that there was a loss in treble, the bass was extremely prominent(both of which i really hated at first listen), and the soundfield was extremely huge.
After some burn in time my headphones sound great, dynamics are much improved over the stock cable, frequency response has smoothed out in the bass and treble has opened up nicely, very smooth. Thei maging with the stock cable isnt as good as the k702 but with the endorphin cable it is spot on.
I would have initially went with a completely different headphone being an audio engineer and music producer, i have certain tasks that require precision and accuracy in recording, editing, processing, and headphone mixes. Typically my first choice was to go with a headphone such as the HD 800 or the new AKG K812 but James was a Sehnnheiser engineer for years and has 30 years of experience with high end headphones and builds custom cables for individual headphone models.
I trusted his opinion( 3 years i have been purchasing custom cables from him now, from usb and audio cables, to power cables) and when i purchased the T5p initially i was not happy with them at all. I trusted his judgement though so i sent them out to him to get recabled and i can confidently say i am relieved i went with these headphones and the new cable.
The sound is excellent, and the soundstage is bigger than the k702s now which at first listen with the stock cable they weren't
Edited by Griploc - 8/3/14 at 7:20am
post #1418 of 1632

Glad to see a thread where a legitimate difference of opinion on the value of aftermarket cables doesn't hijack the thread and derail into the same tired objectivist/subjectivist gang wars... That seems to happen waaaaay too often around here. 

 

On an unrelated note: the T5p seems to pair really well with the HPA in the Lynx Hilo, but I didn't care for it as much from the Master 8 (balanced). Not sure why that would be, but there it is. 

post #1419 of 1632
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Glad to see a thread where a legitimate difference of opinion on the value of aftermarket cables doesn't hijack the thread and derail into the same tired objectivist/subjectivist gang wars... That seems to happen waaaaay too often around here. 

 

On an unrelated note: the T5p seems to pair really well with the HPA in the Lynx Hilo, but I didn't care for it as much from the Master 8 (balanced). Not sure why that would be, but there it is. 

In your opinion do you think i would benefit from a dedicated HP amp or do you think my Apogee Symphony I/O HP inputs would be sufficient enough?


Edited by Griploc - 8/3/14 at 8:13pm
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I am still battling out with T5p. To me its main issue is that is has too much clarity and lower end while goes deep it is not enough volume wise.

I've way too many account of positive recabling changes to t5p inorder for me to dismiss it. I really want to like this headphone but i am struggling alot with it. It can go insanely loud with zero hint of distortion, the driver is top quality. Either get a new grado or send mine for recabling which will cost as much as a brand new rs1e.
post #1421 of 1632
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I am still battling out with T5p. To me its main issue is that is has too much clarity and lower end while goes deep it is not enough volume wise.

I've way too many account of positive recabling changes to t5p inorder for me to dismiss it. I really want to like this headphone but i am struggling alot with it. It can go insanely loud with zero hint of distortion, the driver is top quality. Either get a new grado or send mine for recabling which will cost as much as a brand new rs1e.

 

Start with acoustic damping of the cups - something you can easily do yourself and reverse if need be.

Examples have been described in this thread.

post #1422 of 1632
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Originally Posted by Theogenes View Post
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On an unrelated note: the T5p seems to pair really well with the HPA in the Lynx Hilo, but I didn't care for it as much from the Master 8 (balanced). Not sure why that would be, but there it is. 

In your opinion do you think i would benefit from a dedicated HP amp or do you think my Apogee Symphony I/O HP inputs would be sufficient enough?

 

I don't know the Apogee Symphony I/O. I actually did a search when you posted the pictures to see what it was. On the other side according to several sources it has two independently controlled headphone outputs which is (very) rare. They are normally controlled together when there's two headphone outputs in this kind of combination product. I didn't find much more during a rather quick search, but it may indicate that Apogee has made an effort regarding the headphone amplifier module.

 

On the other side I do know that several other similar combination products have good headphone amplifiers incl. Lynx Hilo, Grace Design m901/m902/m903/m920 and Benchmark DAC1 and DAC2 series. I own Lynx Hilo and Grace Design m903 which both have good headphone amplifier modules. I've earlier written about both in other threads. I have only briefly heard Benchmark DAC1 HDR or PRE.

 

My observations indicate that the headphone amplifier module in these combination products is very good. Hence you'll probably have to pay a lot to get anything substantially better.

 

On the other side we've got taste and pairing of headphone and headphone amplifier. For example I like my Grace Design m903 and especially with Denon AH-D7000, but I wasn't very enthusiastic of it with Sennheiser HD 800. Lynx Hilo + Sennheiser HD 800 is a much better fit for me. Others have reported differently. Lesson: A good headphone + a good headphone amplifier doesn't necessarily equal a good combination (for a given user).

post #1423 of 1632
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In your opinion do you think i would benefit from a dedicated HP amp or do you think my Apogee Symphony I/O HP inputs would be sufficient enough?

 

Honestly, there isn't much I could add to CDWMcInSpots' excellent reply. I've never had the pleasure of hearing any Apogee gear, so I don't have any baseline for evaluating their competency. As a wild guess, given the pricepoint and the successes I've seen with quality professional equipment in the past (I also have a Lynx Hilo and the HPA in it is simply outstanding), I would assume that it would be sufficient. With that said, it is possible that you could find a headamp that syngergizes better with the T5p than what you have-- but you'd be doing a lot of research, store visits, and/or in-home evaluations to find a good match. 

 

Personally, given the quality of the rest of your setup, if I found an amp under the $400-500 mark that worked exceptionally well with the T5p, I'd give it a go, and just return or sell it if it didn't work out. As an obvious professional, having the right setup to get the level of sound you want is critical, and if you did find an amp that improved upon what you already have, it would be worth it. All JMO, naturally ;). 

 

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I am still battling out with T5p. To me its main issue is that is has too much clarity and lower end while goes deep it is not enough volume wise.

I've way too many account of positive recabling changes to t5p inorder for me to dismiss it. I really want to like this headphone but i am struggling alot with it. It can go insanely loud with zero hint of distortion, the driver is top quality. Either get a new grado or send mine for recabling which will cost as much as a brand new rs1e.

 

Hmmm... Have you considered having the T5p modified to accept a different connector instead of hardwiring? It is significantly cheaper than what you're proposing, and you open yourself up to the possibility of picking up aftermarket cables used, which typically means waaaay cheaper. That's what I've done (mini-XLR), and I didn't spend anywhere near the cost of an RS1e on it. Just a thought!

post #1424 of 1632
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Honestly, there isn't much I could add to CDWMcInSpots' excellent reply. I've never had the pleasure of hearing any Apogee gear, so I don't have any baseline for evaluating their competency. As a wild guess, given the pricepoint and the successes I've seen with quality professional equipment in the past (I also have a Lynx Hilo and the HPA in it is simply outstanding), I would assume that it would be sufficient. With that said, it is possible that you could find a headamp that syngergizes better with the T5p than what you have-- but you'd be doing a lot of research, store visits, and/or in-home evaluations to find a good match. 

 

Personally, given the quality of the rest of your setup, if I found an amp under the $400-500 mark that worked exceptionally well with the T5p, I'd give it a go, and just return or sell it if it didn't work out. As an obvious professional, having the right setup to get the level of sound you want is critical, and if you did find an amp that improved upon what you already have, it would be worth it. All JMO, naturally ;). 

 

 

Hmmm... Have you considered having the T5p modified to accept a different connector instead of hardwiring? It is significantly cheaper than what you're proposing, and you open yourself up to the possibility of picking up aftermarket cables used, which typically means waaaay cheaper. That's what I've done (mini-XLR), and I didn't spend anywhere near the cost of an RS1e on it. Just a thought!


I was thinking about maybe looking at the new mini phonitor, the price looks good and I don't need all the bells and whistles

post #1425 of 1632
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I was thinking about maybe looking at the new mini phonitor, the price looks good and I don't need all the bells and whistles

 

I've never heard one myself, but I bet that would be a solid pairing at the least... I read a number of reviews of the first generation, and as long as you weren't driving power-hungry orthos with it, it seemed to get great reviews. If you end up demoing or buying one, definitely let us know what you think!!

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