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post #196 of 213

Well, I cannot wait to finally hear the T1 this week, but I know I won't be buying it - too much dosh in headphones is sending me wallet into the shivery colds.

post #197 of 213

Gee, after spending one and a half hours this morning going through this entire thread, I feel like I just read the first 10 chapters of a Dickens novel that draws you in and never ends. 

 

What a pleasure to hear such different opinions voiced moderately and rationally by what are obviously very experienced listeners!

 

And how timely, as I have been struggling with a very similar decision.  I have been comparing the LA7000, HD800, T1, V4 Terminator, and 880/600 for quite a while, and my impressions have been very similar to several comments here.

 

For example, one sounds better than another on a particular track.  I too hear the treble outline on the T1, the coolness of the HD800, the wonderful timbre of the 880/600, and the full bass of the V4.   They all sounded better after significant break-in time - at least 100 hrs.

 

I want to have a secondary pair that I can turn to after listening to the primary set for an hour or more, and so both comfort and SQ are important.

 

My first choice is most definitely the LA7000.  It is the all-around best in all categories (except 3D soundstage), and I enjoy listening with them immensely. But after an hour they get heavy, and then the 880/600 or the T1 feel great, but it's still hard to know in advance which will sound better with a particular CD.  Like pataburd, I tend to prefer the 880/600 on more tracks than I do the T1, but not always.  Sometimes the T1 has more depth and musicality, other times it sounds more brittle and less timbrally sweet. 

 

I would really like to hear the 880/600 with a balanced high-end re-cable.  I think that's probably the next step for me.

 

My 2 cents worth added to a very constructive thread -- good thing it wasn't shut down!


Edited by budx3385 - 7/5/10 at 11:20am
post #198 of 213

Yes, such relativizing threads are rare on headfi, the sceptics mostly get silenced by a fantastillion fanboys. Too much mocking or ignoring otherwise.

post #199 of 213
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Originally Posted by budx3385 View Post
 

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I would really like to hear the 880/600 with a balanced high-end re-cable.  I think that's probably the next step for me.

 

My 2 cents worth added to a very constructive thread -- good thing it wasn't shut down!

. . . 

Thank you, budx,  

 

We got a good deal more than two cents' worth from your thoughtful post.  : )


Wish I could try a balanced DT880/600 rig someday myself.  

 

Both the T1 ship to their buyer, and the DT880/600 ship to ZXAC for an (SE) UP-OCC "Impact" re-cable tomorrow morning, God willing.

 

That's the next Beyer step for me.  : )  There's a second hook set aside, too, right next to the UP-OCC K501. 

 


Edited by pataburd - 7/5/10 at 10:25pm
post #200 of 213
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Thank you, budx,  


Wish I could try a balanced DT880/600 rig someday myself.  

 

Both the T1 ship to their buyer, and the DT880/600 ship to ZXAC for a (SE) UPOCC "Impact" re-cable tomorrow morning, God willing.

 

That's the next Beyer step for me.  : )  There's a second hook set aside, too, right next to the UPOCC K501. 

 

 


Too bad the T-1s didn't work out.   

 

Best of luck with your recable adventure.

 

USG

post #201 of 213
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USG,

Thank you.

 

Well, at least I can say "I've been there".  And I don't feel in the least at a loss, either, after all that "trying".  The T1 are fine cans from a fine company, but they're just not for me right now, perhaps not ever.

 

Not to worry, though.  The UP-OCC K501 did a splendid job this evening, serving me up some of the most deliciously engaging vocals ever!  Eddie Arnold, Cat Stevens and Keely Smith never sounded so good.  : )

 

Hopefully, the DT880/600 "Impact" re-cable will be back by next week.  The fully "Mullarded" WeeeeeeSquirrel 336SE awaits their return.

 

PAB

 
 

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Too bad the T-1s didn't work out. 

 

Best of luck with your recable adventure.

 

USG

post #202 of 213

Pat.

Congrats on your sale. You gave the T1 a serious chance and really put a lot of time, effort and thought into trying to make it work.

Yes, Kudo's on this being such a good read.

 

Am very interested in your take on the newly re-cabled DT880's. I'm sure you'll keep us updated.

 

shane

post #203 of 213
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Originally Posted by pataburd View Post

  

 

Both the T1 ship to their buyer, and the DT880/600 ship to ZXAC for an (SE) UP-OCC "Impact" re-cable tomorrow morning, God willing.

 

 


OK, I finally found ZXAC -- thanks for the new tip.  Good Luck.  I think I will try a Jena XLR re-cable at ALO.  I made a visit to their storefront (32 Ohm Audio) last spring to do a listening comparison and learned a lot!

 

 
 

post #204 of 213
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Pat.

Congrats on your sale. You gave the T1 a serious chance and really put a lot of time, effort and thought into trying to make it work.

Yes, Kudo's on this being such a good read.

 

Am very interested in your take on the newly re-cabled DT880's. I'm sure you'll keep us updated.

 

shane

Shane,

Thank you for hanging in/on as the discussion developed, and for your contributions to this thread.

 

God willing, I'll post my impressions of the ZXAC "Impact" re-cable in two weeks or so.  Suffice it to say, I am expecting even more and even better from the DT880/600.  If the re-cable does what it is advertised to do, we are all, I hope, in for a treat.  : )

 
PatABurd

post #205 of 213

I'd also like to chime in here and thank you Pataburd. Your very thoughtful and open minded evaluating and posting make this a fabulous thread. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the 880 recable as well.

post #206 of 213
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Downsize,

Thank you for your contributions, too, which also helped make this thread worthwhile.  (It's sad to see this round of discussions end.)  It's unfortunate that we were unable to schedule a meeting, and to try some alternate sources/amps with the T1, but my schedule is getting crazy, too, with the new job and my immanent (and as-yet unresolved) relocation.  Actually, I'll be living a little bit closer to Rochester, in the Elmira-Corning area, so maybe we'll have occasion to get together in the months ahead.

 

Just PayPal-ed Zombie_X/ZXAC today.  Hopefully the re-cable will be back some time next week.  I went with stranded 24 AWG Nucleotide UP-OCC copper for the DT880/600.  My K501 use solid 28 AWG UP-OCC silver wire, but exhibit absolutely no stereotypical sonic downside commonly associated with silver.  These two headphones are wonderfully complimentary, and among themselves have most of the sonic bases well-covered.    

 

The only ones missing might be the AH-D5000, which actually sound better--in fact, frighteningly good--with my solid state amp(s).  These three: AKG K501, Beyer DT880/600 and Denon AH-D5000, should keep me from future forays into the flagship nether regions for a quite some time.  

 

Besides, I think one can derive more overall musical pleasure from three, interchangeable sets of good, solid--even mid-fi(!)--headphones such as these.  Asking ONE product to "do it all" might be too much to ask.  That's probably what I was demanding of the T1, and it was perhaps too much for me to demand.  However, I feel that my demands were "Beyer-specific" (e.g. I wasn't expecting the T1 to outperform the K501 in midrange production), and that the T1 fell short of what I thought a flagship Beyer "should" be (in that they did not retain some of the critical pluses which, to me, were already inherent in the DT880/2003 or 600).  

 

Again, maybe I was being unduly demanding and even belaboring while auditioning the T1.  Bottom line, though: the T1 were not my cup of matte, precisely because they ceased to be recognizable, as Beyers, to me

 

As long as there exist Sennheiser, Beyerdynamic, AKG, Ultrasone, Denon, JVC, Audio-Technica, et al, there will be unique brand- and design-specific advantages to ownership within a fairly broad array of headphone products.  If one were financially able--and not all of us are--I guess the way to go would be to purchase all the available flagship offerings.

 

But for the majority of us--myself included--the "next best thing" is to buy from the mid-fi "sweet spot" of those manufacturers with whom your listening preferences click.  For me, that would be AKG, Beyer and Denon and the aforementioned products.  [And possibly, if I were fallen into reckless abandon, the Ultrasone 750Pro, reserved for female vocals.]  That way, I can capitalize on the inimitable keynote(s) of each (e.g. the K501's cohesiveness and peerless midrange integrity; the DT880/600's detail, balance and dynamic texture; the AH-D5000's engrossing bass lines; the 750Pro's frequently haunting upper midrange).  

 

This often requires a more selective, genre-targeted style of listening, and that the listener make concessions to comparative weaknesses while exploiting comparative strengths in the headphones of choice at the time, but I think--at least for me--this is the more satisfactory way to go. 

 

Honestly, I don't believe there ever will exist, nor ever can exist, a single, flagship, "hi-fi" product that could pull off all those respective performance pluses on par with each of the above-mentioned "mid-fi" offerings.  If that were so, then headphone listening will have become lamentably homogenized, and our universe would be slipping irreversibly into definitive, maximum entropy, into a black hole of formless mediocrity.

 

. . . 

 

Admittedly, it's gotten a little lonely around here without the T1 and this companion H-F thread!  : |  I was tempted to roll over the proceeds from the sale and put them toward the HD800, but almost immediately thought otherwise.  The re-cable should keep me occupied with the DT880/600 for a good while.

 

Cordially and Gratefully,

Patrick


Edited by pataburd - 7/6/10 at 1:52pm
post #207 of 213
Thread Starter 

requiescent in pace 

post #208 of 213

Pataburd(Patrick),

 

I didn't manage to read through the whole thread. I would appreciate if you can provide a short summary on why the T1 didn't appeal to you, and in what ways you thought the DT880/600 offers better value(or superior sound, though subjective, over the T1).

 

Your thoughts are most appreciated.

 

Cheers.

post #209 of 213

I hated the sibilance on the 880 when I was hearing at Jaben, unacceptable.

post #210 of 213

the sibilance happens when its' on the music, I used to hate my dt880/600 for the same reasons, but never heard any on well-recorded music or anything 24bit, but tiesto's kaleidescope album totally kicked my butt with all the sibilance and it's much worse with the T1.  

 

now compared with my new T1, the dt880's comparatively sound dark and much more forgiving.  the dt880's sound smoother to my ears (and in my setup), but my T1's are still quite new and unbroken in.

technically, in terms of imaging, impact, clarity, the T1 is superior by quite a bit, and makes the Dt880 sound veiled, so i do prefer the dt880 on lesser quality recordings. 

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