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post #181 of 903

Ross very nice write up.  You need to play them with a speaker amp which for most people will make them unpractical to own. I do look forward to hearing them Thursday and spending some time with them in my main rig. Good work and will talk with you tomorrow.

post #182 of 903

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" Great comparison baka, looking forward to more, and to those pics!"

Thanks for everyone's comments. I have 10 pics in my profile. Just click my avatar and scroll down. They're in the HE-6 album. I'll keep posting impressions. I'll even do a write up of the mini meet we're having on Thrusday.

Happy Birthday Frank!

Peace,

post #183 of 903
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Ross very nice write up.  You need to play them with a speaker amp which for most people will make them unpractical to own. I do look forward to hearing them Thursday and spending some time with them in my main rig. Good work and will talk with you tomorrow.


Actually, I think more people out there who have a decent sounding speaker amp than those who have a decent sounding headphone amp.

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Actually, I think more people out there who have a decent sounding speaker amp than those who have a decent sounding headphone amp.


It would be a very good use for the "room B" feature that goes unused in many setups.

post #185 of 903
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Actually, I think more people out there who have a decent sounding speaker amp than those who have a decent sounding headphone amp.

I am sure there are many who have 2 channel setups. But most headphone guys are different than 2 channel guys IMO. I know for the last one year I have bought and spent some nice money on head gear and enjoying it . For the 29 years before I was strictly a 2 channel guy and had inexpensive headphones and never really got into them. Now how many 2 channel guys are going to want to spend the coin to run them. IMO the nice thing about the cans I own is I can use them on my 2 channel rig but 90 percent of my listening time is done in another room on my head rig. With the HE6 I lose that option. That is where I believe a product like the LCD2 will win hands down. 
 

post #186 of 903

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" Actually, I think more people out there who have a decent sounding speaker amp than those who have a decent sounding headphone amp."

You're probably right. The thing is that the HE-6 isn't geared towards the average audio person. Or even just someone that has a high end two channel system. It's geared towards someone who values a high end headphone. I would bet that person who's willing to spend that kind of money and is familiar with headphones probably already has a headamp. Fang's product isn't going to be marketed like a big company like Senn will. Nor is the target the same. The HE-6 is more boutique not unlike the LCD-2. So the customer looking at the planar will more than likely have a head amp. I think. LoL

post #187 of 903
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" Actually, I think more people out there who have a decent sounding speaker amp than those who have a decent sounding headphone amp."

You're probably right. The thing is that the HE-6 isn't geared towards the average audio person. Or even just someone that has a high end two channel system. It's geared towards someone who values a high end headphone. I would bet that person who's willing to spend that kind of money and is familiar with headphones probably already has a headamp. Fang's product isn't going to be marketed like a big company like Senn will. Nor is the target the same. The HE-6 is more boutique not unlike the LCD-2. So the customer looking at the planar will more than likely have a head amp. I think. LoL


Agreed, but those kind of boutique customers that shell out $1,400 for a high-end headphone might also be willing to spend $1,200 on the Peachtree Nova that you mentioned earlier as well to drive them.

post #188 of 903

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" Agreed, but those kind of boutique customers that shell out $1,400 for a high-end headphone might also be willing to spend $1,200 on the Peachtree Nova that you mentioned earlier as well to drive them."

No doubt. That Peachtree isn't exactly tiny either. LoL! What I was saying though is the HD800 is more usably versatile. You can have setups all over the place with the HD800. The HE-6 is more limiting in that way.

post #189 of 903
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Agreed, but those kind of boutique customers that shell out $1,400 for a high-end headphone might also be willing to spend $1,200 on the Peachtree Nova that you mentioned earlier as well to drive them.


I went 29 years with out a high end headphone even though I knew there was the K1000 for my speaker set up. It going to be a hard sell except for us fanatics. Keep in mind that even 2 channel is not what it used to be with home theater taking many away.

post #190 of 903


 

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Originally Posted by grokit  
" Great comparison baka, looking forward to more, and to those pics!"

Thanks for everyone's comments. I have 10 pics in my profile. Just click my avatar and scroll down. They're in the HE-6 album. I'll keep posting impressions. I'll even do a write up of the mini meet we're having on Thrusday.

Happy Birthday Frank!

Peace,


Thanks for the birthday greeting. Born in 55 and I am 55

post #191 of 903

Great write up Ross. The HE-6s seem like the real deal. I guess your HD800s are keepers though?

post #192 of 903

Hey guys.  While the HE-6 are best driven by a powerful speaker amp, I still have several headphone amps that can drive the HE-6, although some better than others.  These include the SAC KH1000 amp, ZDT, HDP, A-3, EF5 and Travagans Red (A-3 and Red via speaker outputs, but these amps also have headphone jacks).  

 

Some of these amps will play the HE-6 at decent volume levels, just not to very high levels, while others like the SAC and ZDT can play them louder than I care to listen.  The SAC amp will actually play them loud enough to become uncomfortable.  On the other hand, I am listening to the HE-6 with the EF5 and stock tube right now, and they sound great with the volume at 2 o'clock, at a very decent volume level.  I'm keeping the Apogee mini-DAC volume output at 3 o'clock, and I can max the EF2 at 5 o'clock at volumes higher than I care to listen.  Max on the EF5 isn't as loud as the SAC amp, which isn't as loud as the Yamaha, but it's loud enough to be bad for your ears.  Trust me.

 

From my past experience with K1000, the Cavalli EHHA and 4-channel Beta 22 would also be a good choice to drive the HE-6.  After a 3 week comparison last October, I felt the SAC amp drove K1000 slightly better than a borrowed balanced EHHA, which drove K1000 slightly better than my ZDT.  And a Firstwatt F1 or RWA 30.2 have been high touted as perfect for K1000, where I can see those doing a great job with the HE-6 as well.

 

People are willing to buy a special amp just to drive their K1000, and I can tell you now that the HE-6 sound good enough to make that a worthwhile goal for them as well.  If I was given a choice of an HE-6 or a K1000 for the same price, I would take the HE-6.  The HE-6 are still easier to drive than K1000, have just as good or better mids/highs and detail, and much better bass in every aspect (impact, depth, control, detail, timbre, speed, etc).  Sure, the K1000 have a unique soundstage, but the bass made me feel like I was listening to a concert from the hallway just outside the door to the auditorium.  The K1000 were great in many ways, but I even preferred my HE-5 LE to them (as per my review of those).  I sold the K1000 in June, after owning them for 16 months, and I don't regret it other than not being in the K1000 club anymore.

 

Obviously other high end headphones like the HD800, LCD-2 or HE-5 LE are much easier to drive, but even though you can start to enjoy them with a budget amp they still need a top notch headphone amp (like some of those above) to reach their full potential.  So, someone buying them is still going to want to invest in a good amp, just like with the HE-6.


Edited by HeadphoneAddict - 7/20/10 at 10:05pm
post #193 of 903

will there be a HE6 at the 8/14 Denver meet?

post #194 of 903

Fang had me keep the HE-6 an extra week to compare to a pair of LCD-2 that I had coming my way. So I should note that the LCD-2 are here and are burning in, with 7 hours on them right now.  

 

I have two "headphone" amps hooked up to the Apogee mini-DAC in my bedroom rig at the same time, the SAC KH1000 via XLR out and the EF5 via single ended output of the DAC.  The EF5 is stock.  This way I can listen to one phone on the SAC and the other on the EF5.  I selected these two amps, instead of including my WA6, because either one can drive either phone, while the WA6 can't drive the HE-6 well.  This way I can volume match the two rigs and swap between headphone quickly, without needing to unplug and plug in headphones.  Later I'll compare the HE-6 on the SAC or Yamaha amp to the LCD-2 on the WA6.

 

With the HE-6 plugged into the EF5 and LCD-2 plugged into the SAC amp, the HE-6 are more transparent, open sounding, and sparkly; while the LCD-2 sound a little darker which makes them fell less detailed.  The LCD-2 are not veiled or anything, and have good detail, but the mids and highs are a little more recessed than the HE-6, so you have to concentrate to hear the little details better.  The LCD-2 are also slightly fatiguing with pianos and trumpets on my Peter Asplund "As Knights Concur" CD.  And they clamp my head like an octopus (or boa constrictor).  

 

The LCD-2 do have an enveloping and deep soundstage, and a full, warm and weighty sound.  The HE-6 are a little more neutral sounding, while matching the LCD-2 bass but passing them up in the highs and air/ambience.  The HE-6 bring a little more delicate, nuanced and refined quality to the music.  Swapping amps makes the LCD-2 less fatiguing via the EF5, but the HE-6 benefits from the extra power of the SAC amp.  However, it's interesting that the more I listen to the HE-6 with the EF5 amp, the more I like the pairing in terms of timbre, tone and balance.  The EF5 still has decent enough power with the HE-6, and it's a little more balanced sounding and not as bright as the SAC amp (SAC is too bright with my HD800).

 

The LCD-2 do sound very good, even fresh out of the box, and if I had to choose I'd prefer the LCD-2 over most Grados (as I chose the HE-5 over my re-cabled RS-1).  But, I need to see how these open up and sound after some more burn-in, and will report back on the comparison again in a 2-3 days.  I'll have at least 70 hours on the LCD-2 by the time I have to ship the HE-6 to edwood at the end of the week.  I'd really like to get the ball rolling with all the other western USA listeners, and get the HE-6 on to the next listener soon.  Besides, I'll get my own HE-6 later, and then I can do more comparisons if needed.

post #195 of 903
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will there be a HE6 at the 8/14 Denver meet?


Unfortunately these will ship to the next reviewer at the end of the week, and I don't think we'll be able to get another pair by 8/14.  

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