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Cobain, Hendrix: Why didn't they get serious and get help?

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As a person diagnosed with Manic Depression (circa 2004) I find it frustrating and a little insulting that these bright, talented, creative young men didn't take their illness(es) seriously.  Instead of researching what data was available at the time, and trying out both standard treatments (medication primarily, but also Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, etc) or even non-standard treatments such as yoga, accupuncture, meditation, etc.  No;  instead, they dove hard into the Sex, Drugs, and Rock-&-Roll lifestyle.  Which as we all know, ultimately killed them.  Why?  This doesn't make sense to me.  It is a fact that many times Manic Depression (and mental illnesses in general) lead to drug abuse and other risky activities, but that doesn't make it any less stupid to repeatedly and unrestrictedly entertain said experiences.  I myself have made a LOT of stupid mistakes in my time (25 here) both due and undue to my brainal issues, but I really get angry when I see people like this with a huge future throw it all away just because they don't feel like taking it seriously.  Is that also part of the rocker lifestyle?  Being cavalier and arrogant about your real problems, even if it kills you?  In my opinion and experience, Bipolar / Manic Depression isn't this huge scary thing.  It's pretty much brain diabetes -- watch your diet, get some excersize, take your meds, check in with your doctor from time to time, and you can be a successful and productive member of your society.  When you break it down, it's not mythical or terrifying or complicated, it just takes will and work.


Edited by Sduibek - 6/12/10 at 9:30am
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You are young (25?).  Different time, different behaviors.  You can't judge previous generations by the boundary conditions of your own...theirs were different.

 

Plus, some people make awesome stuff precisely because they are creative and willing to destroy self in the pursuit of it.  Only the good die young ;)

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I think the answer is really quite simple. There has to come a moment of clarity or awakening where you actually realize that you have a problem and need help and then actually SEEK said help. Hendrix and Cobain simply OD'd and/or commited suicide before that moment of awakening occurred.

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Yeah :(
 

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Originally Posted by Fido2 View Post

I think the answer is really quite simple. There has to come a moment of clarity or awakening where you actually realize that you have a problem and need help and then actually SEEK said help. Hendrix and Cobain simply OD'd and/or commited suicide before that moment of awakening occurred.

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Where to begin? First, I sympathize with your situation - I too struggle with the same problem, and it has truly been a lifelong battle. I probably wouldn't be admitting to it, even after years of therapy, without the anonymity of the internet...but I digress. Having said that, I think you are making it seem too easy. If anyone should realize that people have radically different brains, it should be us - don't assume that it's as easy to treat and overcome for them as it is for you. People don't understand how we can feel so hopeless when there is beauty all around us because they make the assumption that our brains work logically, when they do not. Don't do the same to other people. Don't assume that their problems are equal to or less intense than your own. Don't judge them for being unable to overcome something you are able to overcome.

 

As a musician it's particularly difficult. Great music (scratch that, GREAT ART in general) comes from pain. Happy people write catchy fun songs, but the kind of words and images that truly stand the test of time come from pain. I work with and know literally hundreds of great songwriters, many of whom you probably have heard of, and I can tell you that their lives are complete wrecks - many of them don't suffer from depression, but instead will deliberately sabotage relationships or drive themselves to substance abuse just so they can write great music. Is that selfish? Yes - but I don't know if guys like Hendrix or Cobain did these things to themselves intentionally, or if they were genuinely chemically imbalanced, and simply self-medicated. Unless they were tested properly I think you are making an assumption.

 

As for those who don't seek help intentionally, I can't help but be reminded of the story of Achilles - he is revealed a prophecy by his mother that if he does not go to fight the trojan war he will live a long and happy life, ultimately dying of old age. If, however, he decides to go to war, he will not return home, but instead will live on forever in legend. Guess which he chose? I realize the story isn't true, but I think that there is an underlying desire in much of humanity to create something lasting and memorable that the story illustrates particularly well. Many would rather be remembered for something brief but great. You may find that silly, but ultimately it is their life, and their choice.

 

As for why people don't get treatment for a legitimate problem, I think there are a number of significant reasons other than being selfish or foolish. The first is quite simply that you are denying a part of yourself - it is something most us were born with, and unlike a condition with some kind of outward sign such as something that makes you violent, it's convenient to deny that you have a problem at all or simply cover it up. I think there's also a great fear of the unknown - who will you be if your brain suddenly works radically different? Will you still feel like yourself? The medications also work in different ways on different people. I can't function with them - many make it hard to focus, others give me a sense of a "false high" and others simply make me feel numb.

 

Perhaps I'm overly sensitive to the subject because I'm a big fan of both (particularly Hendrix), but assuming they actually were chemically imbalanced, I feel like you could approach it in a more sympathetic way. With all due respect to all of you, it may not be as simple as you make it out to be.


Edited by hazardous - 6/12/10 at 2:33pm
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Well I honestly started to add a bit more to my first statement about there being a bit more to it but I "chose" not too.  LOL

 No No I am not in any way making light of these problems as I am quite familiar with these issues personally.

 

But still, basically what I stated stands true. If you choose or seek worldly "fame" or "gain" over true happiness which comes from a deeper, eternal place then you have made your choice.

 

A lot of the examples you cited seemed to be folks looking for worldly gains and not the true treasure. But like you say many have made a choice knowing full well what the decision entailed.

 

I can say that I am here only by the grace of God. Again apologies if I came off wrong. I love Hendrix too, Band of Gypsies is just amazing.

Lots of excellent artists and regular folks too have died from drugs and alcohol.

 

PS: hey I'm from the ville too.


Edited by Fido2 - 6/12/10 at 5:05pm
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