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AKG K701 vs. Sennheiser HD650

post #1 of 87
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First of all, I know there are plenty of threads regarding this topic, but this is a more in depth question so I figured I'd start a new thread...sorry to all you angry audiophiles out there.  SO, to the question, I recently purchased a pair of AKG K701's, a Heed CanAmp, and a Musical Fidelity V-DAC.  I'm using quality interconnects, a quality USB, and my MacBook Pro as a source with Apple Lossless files playing through iTunes.  While not perfect, I think I have a pretty good setup.  But here's the kicker, while at times I can feel the music, for the most part, the sound seems very sterile and emotionless.  The reason I got into high end audio is so I could FEEL the music, and except for the occasional exception where the 701's sparkle, I'm not.

 

On paper I should be thrilled with this setup, but it just isn't doing it for me.  I find myself listening to the music and hearing every instrument and every voice crystal clear, but I think that perhaps this just isn't the can for me.  I don't feel immersed.

 

I found myself looking for a "bassy" headphone to pair with the AKG, thinking it would bring more umph and emotion to the music, but I don't think getting a Beyer DT770 and blowing my face off is the answer.  I think the answer may be taking my losses, selling the 701's and getting Sennheiser HD650's.  I've read it has a stronger bass than the 701's, and although it has a "darker veil", which will be nice because it feels as though the 701's are a bit too piercing at times, it is a much more emotional and involved headphone.  It seems to be, again not from first hand experience, a less analytical headphone, but one that brings you into the music more.  But this is where you all come in.  Will the 650's give me a more "emotional" experience?  Will they have a good amount of synergy with the CanAmp and the V-DAC?  I just feel like I should be completely immersed in my music for the amount of money I spent, and I'm not.  Any input will help, thanks!

post #2 of 87

Weather or not a headphone gives a more "emotional" experience varies per person. The best way to find out is to pick up a pair used and spend a few weeks with it. If you don't like them they should be easy enough to sell off.

 

I find the "veiled" description that is common here inaccurate with the current silver screen drivers. There is more bass and mid-bass so everything sounds 'thicker' and have more 'body'. This description is meaningless until you actually hear a pair. Personally I love the sound, so much that I have 2 pairs, (a real HD650 as well as a HD580 converted into 650's)

 

post #3 of 87

off the top of my reading experience here, the k701s are known for their analytical way about music which is something I believe, you would have discovered when researching which amp to pair with it. That said, there are genres of music that the k701 caters to, and if you are into beats and stuff, ya better off going with the HD650s, but how they pair up with the heed canamp and v-dac, that I cannot help.

 

the k701s are used as reference and are very revealing. again, I'm going at this without much experience but pure heresay on what I've read on the boards. I've ordered the k702 despite knowing this, despite wanting the emotional and musicality because I need something to pair off with my IE8s and cos' at home, I'll be relaxing and I know, chances are, I'll still enjoy them in that manner. :)


Edited by cravenz - 6/11/10 at 8:50am
post #4 of 87

Yea I could agree with you guys on that note; I have the K702s and they are very revealing, very detailed phones. However because of this, I don't use them with certain genres of music like rap, rock, hip hop, techno, and the like; they just don't carry the weight that other phones do. 

 

However I LOVE them for classical and acoustic music (which is what I bought them for). 

post #5 of 87

if you do decide to go with hd650's instead, you should probably start doing research on different amps as well. I haven't seen too many people enjoy sennheisers with the canamp.

post #6 of 87

This is why suggestions for a tube or hybrid amp. A digital source with a SS amp is an audio microscope using the 70x. Add some tube bloom and things start sounding more like music and less like a mixing can. 

 

IMO

post #7 of 87

I agree that the newer "silver" driver sennheisers, do not have "veil."  However they are not as bright or detailed as the K701.  I love the midrange of the hd650's, very smooth and relaxing.  My issue with them is that the bass is a bit slow and muddy.  I like both, but if I had one it would be the k701....for now.

post #8 of 87

Curious... how long have the 'newer silver' drivers been around?

post #9 of 87
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Thanks everyone!  I just found out I can do a full exchange on the 701s if I decide to...

 

 

 

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Add some tube bloom and things start sounding more like music and less like a mixing can. 

 

Any suggestions for an amp for the K701s?

 

 

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I haven't seen too many people enjoy sennheisers with the canamp.

 

Any suggestions for an amp for the 650s?

 

post #10 of 87

There are several tube and hybrid options. Budget?

post #11 of 87
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Well I would sell off my CanAmp if I were to get a new amp...So whatever I could get for that.  Let's say $400?  Preferably I'd like to keep my DAC/amp set up and replace the cans, but I'm not opposed to anything.  Is there perhaps a better replacement headphone than the HD650 for my setup?

post #12 of 87
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Thanks everyone!  I just found out I can do a full exchange on the 701s if I decide to...

 

 

I would not jump to return the K701's ,I have tried the HD650's the new ones at a meet, and wasn't impressed becasue of the same reaso n you didn't enjoy the K701's-which is they were not doing anything special for me.

 

 

 

Any suggestions for an amp for the K701s?

 

I'am listening to the K701's currently witha loaned Mapletree Ear+ HD tube amp, very nice synergy, with loads of powers.

I would definitely recommend.

 

I do use my K701's with the audio-gd C-2 also,nothing wrong with SS amp,It has to be a revealing and neutral amp.That makes a difference.

 

 

 

 

 

Any suggestions for an amp for the 650s?

 



 

post #13 of 87
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Now I'm thinking maybe for my musical preference (much more electric rock than acoustic) Grados might be the best choice....325i or maybe MS2i.  I'm so confused. Help me...

post #14 of 87

Re-cabled and good amp, HD650 hands down.

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Any suggestions for an amp for the 650s?


I've heard some talk about Darkvoice and HD650 making good synergy, but I'm skeptical on Chinese stuff. I'm planning on going Diy route by building a 3 channel Beta22.

post #15 of 87

While HD650 gives you more bass, the "emotion" comes in Grado headphones.

 

I know a lot of people dislike this, but can't you use equalizer to adjust the sound to your like? Theoretically you can get similar sound signature as most of the headphones.

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